Forum Index Scion [3.8] CI Mjolner CoC Ball Lightning Scion - up to 5M Shaper DPS, 10k ES, 5k+ ES recovery/s

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Great build. Easily romped shaper earlier today at lvl 79/80.

That said, my ES is pretty low compared to yours (9.4k), OP, and that makes me think uber elder might be a problem. Is that something that will go up with levels, or is my gear just bad?

Martingale7
Jul 14, 2019 21:05:50 PM

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Martingale7 wrote:
Great build. Easily romped shaper earlier today at lvl 79/80.

That said, my ES is pretty low compared to yours (9.4k), OP, and that makes me think uber elder might be a problem. Is that something that will go up with levels, or is my gear just bad?


Your character should be strong enough to kill Uber Elder as long as you know what to do in the fight. If you want more ES, look for a body chest with more than 700 ES and a talisman with a +20% increased maximum ES mod. The latter is hard to find in the market, so you might as well make it yourself. In addition, as you level up your character, you will be able to use 2-3 additional jewels, each of which gives you up to 8% maximum ES.

N0esy
Jul 15, 2019 02:31:30 AM

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N0esy wrote:
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Martingale7 wrote:
Great build. Easily romped shaper earlier today at lvl 79/80.

That said, my ES is pretty low compared to yours (9.4k), OP, and that makes me think uber elder might be a problem. Is that something that will go up with levels, or is my gear just bad?


Your character should be strong enough to kill Uber Elder as long as you know what to do in the fight. If you want more ES, look for a body chest with more than 700 ES and a talisman with a +20% increased maximum ES mod. The latter is hard to find in the market, so you might as well make it yourself. In addition, as you level up your character, you will be able to use 2-3 additional jewels, each of which gives you up to 8% maximum ES.


Thanks again.

How exactly is a talisman made? I know it has something to do with betrayal but I honestly hate that mechanic so much that I just skip or arbitrarily pick one of the two dialogue options and move on.

Martingale7
Jul 15, 2019 02:47:13 AM

Want to run this on my standard scion, what needs to be changed since no access to the new legion jewels?

alvincheng
Jul 15, 2019 07:00:23 AM

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Martingale7 wrote:

How exactly is a talisman made? I know it has something to do with betrayal but I honestly hate that mechanic so much that I just skip or arbitrarily pick one of the two dialogue options and move on.


Short answer is the following:
1. Put Jorgin in Research.
2. Increase his rank to 3.
3. Go to Research safehouse.
4. Transform your amulet into a talisman (the talisman is chosen randomly from tier 3 talisman pool).

I will write a more detailed guide on this one tonight. That said, Syndicate is very rewarding, and I'd recommend you think it more seriously... For example, rank 3 It That Fled in research will give you an opportunity to transform Chayula's breachstone (80-90c) to Chayula's pure breachstone (230c), so easy 140c profit.

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alvincheng wrote:
Want to run this on my standard scion, what needs to be changed since no access to the new legion jewels?

I have two answers for this. First, you can follow this guide except that you don't use Lethal Pride. Lethal Pride gives you roughly 100 strength, so you need roughly 100 more strength from your gear (belt, ring and amulet). Astramentis should be your friend here.

The other answer is that you choose Trickstar instead of Scion. I mean, the point of choosing Scion is to use Lethal Pride + Unnatural Instinct combo. So, if Lethal Pride is unavailable, why would you choose Scion? Of course, you need even more strength from your gear, but my theory crafting in PoB says it is possible to reach 412 strength if you get a good amount of strength from your belt, ring and amulet. I think Trickstar is better both offensively and defensively.

Proposed passive tree (level 93) is the following:
https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/3.7.3/AAAABAYCAQceCSANfA5ID8QRDxFQEZYVUBvIHRQdTyVfJ6kpTyoLKwosvy_aM7A1uTY9Ow07fDwFRnFJT0lRTINMs1AwUw5ca13yX2pgQ2ZUZp5ryG0ZbWxuPXBScNR0gX2wfq9_xoCzgpuDCYRIhXuJ04wLjDaMdo0ZjmSPRo_6kUeTJ5TxlSCVLpctl5WX9Juhnjyf36EvoqOnCKcrrJiu_698tAy0OLb6tzG4yrl8uZO8qr6AvorAZsHzwwnDbcgTytPP3dAf0NDVptdK2V_bXt_z4BLjhOUZ6rrr9ewY7DjssO_r8NXxivId96b3wffX-Jf5pPrS-_U=

note: Use ES/evasion hybrid body armour.

Edit: Added a VERY detailed guide of making talismans.

N0esy
Jul 15, 2019 10:04:54 AM

Hi,

after hopelessly squandering currency on builds I wasn't really content with (got Shaper and Red Elder down with my DW Cyclone Gladiator, though it takes forever), I was looking for a build that could manage (almost) all content.

This seems to be the build for me! Gonna try and scrape some currency/gear together and give this a shot. Will update with progress later on!

Baneslayer
Jul 16, 2019 10:54:08 AM

nice build! very fun. I creat this beauty

Maelström Salvation
Vaal Regalia
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  • Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 1 Arcane Surge
  • +98 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 151% increased Energy Shield
  • Recover 6% of Energy Shield on Kill
  • 16% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • +22 to Intelligence
  • +18% to Quality
  • Aresius911
    Jul 18, 2019 21:09:59 PM

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    This seems to be the build for me! Gonna try and scrape some currency/gear together and give this a shot. Will update with progress later on!


    Delivering an update as promised, made some adjustments to the build along the way:

    - Leveled to 60 using Ball Lightning with some support gems as suggested by OP.

    - Switched to double Mjölner at 60 and redid all my gems. Finished the rest of the story and up to T8 maps. Picked Deadeye/Assassin as ascendencies instead of Assassin/Champion. Leveling overall was a complete breeze.

    - Switched offhand to spirit shield at 72 and am comfortably running T11 maps as of now. It still doesn't feel like I'm missing tankiness or aspd, so ditching duelist ascendencies doesn't feel so bad (yet).


    TODO:

    - Uber Lab for the last ascendancy points

    - Switch to CI, still unsure if gear is good enough, will maybe wait for advice, better gear or just reskill and go for it

    - Get a Mjölner with Fortify (still short on currency due to getting other items, like Watcher's Eye and Unnatural Instinct)


    Here's my current gear:

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    Mjölner
    Gavel
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  • 15% reduced Enemy Stun Threshold
  • Trigger a Socketed Lightning Spell on Hit Socketed Lightning Spells deal 100% increased Spell Damage if Triggered
  • +300 Intelligence Requirement
  • +200 Strength Requirement
  • 114% increased Physical Damage
  • Skills Chain +1 times
  • 34% increased Lightning Damage with Attack Skills
  • Look the storm in the eye and you will have its respect.

    Loath Duty
    Titanium Spirit Shield
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  • +94 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 99% increased Energy Shield
  • +27 to maximum Life
  • +24% to Lightning Resistance
  • +8 Mana gained when you Block
  • 28% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • Apocalypse Halo
    Necromancer Circlet
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  • +221 to Accuracy Rating
  • +48 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 82% increased Energy Shield
  • +54 to maximum Mana
  • +12% to Cold Resistance
  • +30 to Strength
  • Dusk Carapace
    Necromancer Silks
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  • +34 to Intelligence
  • +105 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +29 to maximum Life
  • Regenerate 2.2 Life per second
  • 21% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • 67% increased Energy Shield
  • Oblivion Hold
    Two-Stone Ring
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  • +12% to Fire and Cold Resistances
  • Adds 6 to 9 Physical Damage to Attacks
  • Regenerate 9.4 Life per second
  • +78 to maximum Mana
  • -6 to Total Mana Cost of Skills
  • +25% to Fire Resistance
  • Demon Turn
    Two-Stone Ring
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  • +14% to Fire and Lightning Resistances
  • +33 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +45 to maximum Life
  • Regenerate 12.6 Life per second
  • +75 to maximum Mana
  • +11% to all Elemental Resistances
  • +2 Mana gained for each Enemy hit by your Attacks
  • Astramentis
    Onyx Amulet
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  • +16 to all Attributes
  • +86 to all Attributes
  • -4 Physical Damage taken from Attack Hits
  • Mindless rage will shake the world,

    Cunning lies will bend it.

    Reckless haste will break the world,

    And into darkness send it.

    Shaper's Touch
    Crusader Gloves
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  • 112% increased Armour and Energy Shield
  • +4 Accuracy Rating per 2 Intelligence
  • +1 Life per 4 Dexterity
  • +2 Mana per 4 Strength
  • 2% increased Energy Shield per 10 Strength
  • 2% increased Evasion Rating per 10 Intelligence
  • 2% increased Melee Physical Damage per 10 Dexterity
  • By my hand, the inert is given life.

    By my hand, that which rots is reborn.

    There is nothing that cannot be changed.

    Nothing.

    Mind Locket
    Stygian Vise
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  • Has 1 Abyssal Socket
  • +51 to Strength
  • +28 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +77 to maximum Life
  • +32% to Cold Resistance
  • +32% to Fire Resistance
  • Hate Dash
    Arcanist Slippers
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  • +26 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +74 to maximum Life
  • +42% to Cold Resistance
  • +42% to Lightning Resistance
  • 21% increased Movement Speed
  • Seething Divine Life Flask of Staunching
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  • 66% reduced Amount Recovered
  • Instant Recovery
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Perpetual Diamond Flask of Craving
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  • 33% increased Charge Recovery
  • 0.4% of Physical Attack Damage Leeched as Mana during Flask effect
  • Perpetual Quicksilver Flask of Heat
    -
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  • 31% increased Charge Recovery
  • Immunity to Freeze and Chill during Flask effect Removes Freeze and Chill on use
  • Dying Sun
    Ruby Flask
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  • 10% reduced Charges used
  • Skills fire 2 additional Projectiles during Flask Effect
  • 16% increased Area of Effect during Flask Effect
  • All things must die.

    Whether you burn out or explode is up to you.

    Experimenter's Silver Flask of Warding
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  • Immune to Curses during Flask effect Removes Curses on use
  • 40% increased Duration


  • Thanks for the fun build OP, will try and push further to see what I can achieve - really, really fun so far!

    Baneslayer
    Jul 18, 2019 22:43:45 PM

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    Aresius911 wrote:
    nice build! very fun. I creat this beauty

    Great body armour. 175 ex tho...


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    Baneslayer wrote:

    Delivering an update as promised, made some adjustments to the build along the way:


    Thank you for sharing your progress. It would be a good idea to get a better body armour before switching to CI. A 6-linked lvl 86 vaal regalia costs only 1ex now, just buy one and craft it with a dense fossil. Dense fossils are very cheap this league, so you should be able to get 700ES body armour easily.
    Another suggestion is to buy level 21 ball lightning gems, which cost only 6c. These gems will speed up your leveling.

    N0esy
    Jul 19, 2019 02:16:14 AM

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    Thank you for sharing your progress. It would be a good idea to get a better body armour before switching to CI. A 6-linked lvl 86 vaal regalia costs only 1ex now, just buy one and craft it with a dense fossil. Dense fossils are very cheap this league, so you should be able to get 700ES body armour easily.
    Another suggestion is to buy level 21 ball lightning gems, which cost only 6c. These gems will speed up your leveling.


    Thank you for the advice! I bought the level 21 gems and also managed to snag a 6l Vaal Regalia for ~70c albeit at ilvl 83. I don't feel really content with it (bought it as it is) and I will try and use some dense fossils later as you suggested.

    Also, I made switch to CI after buying the Vaal Regalia, switch was kinda smooth - I'm content with it so far, did Uber Lab without any greater issues at Lv 78.

    New short term goal is to get mark of the shaper and some decent jewelry, replacing my Astramentis and the other ring while staying stat and resistance capped.

    Will keep progress updated. Help/Advice and questions are most welcome!

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    Rapture Shell
    Vaal Regalia
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  • 106% increased Energy Shield
  • +25% to Fire Resistance
  • +35% to Lightning Resistance
  • 12% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • +67 to maximum Energy Shield



  • EDIT: 1st try Deathless Shaper! Also comfortably farming T16 Maps now. Gear and screenshot below!

    Spoiler
    Mjölner
    Gavel
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  • 15% reduced Enemy Stun Threshold
  • Trigger a Socketed Lightning Spell on Hit Socketed Lightning Spells deal 100% increased Spell Damage if Triggered
  • +300 Intelligence Requirement
  • +200 Strength Requirement
  • 114% increased Physical Damage
  • Skills Chain +1 times
  • 34% increased Lightning Damage with Attack Skills
  • Look the storm in the eye and you will have its respect.

    Loath Duty
    Titanium Spirit Shield
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  • +94 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 99% increased Energy Shield
  • +27 to maximum Life
  • +24% to Lightning Resistance
  • +8 Mana gained when you Block
  • 28% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • Apocalypse Halo
    Necromancer Circlet
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  • +221 to Accuracy Rating
  • +48 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 82% increased Energy Shield
  • +54 to maximum Mana
  • +12% to Cold Resistance
  • +30 to Strength
  • Wrath Keep
    Vaal Regalia
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  • +54 to Intelligence
  • +95 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 115% increased Energy Shield
  • 12% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • +20% to Fire and Lightning Resistances
  • Mark of the Shaper
    Opal Ring
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  • 25% increased Elemental Damage
  • 20% chance to Trigger Level 20 Summon Volatile Anomaly on Kill
  • Adds 18 to 56 Lightning Damage to Spells
  • 10% increased maximum Energy Shield
  • 7% increased maximum Life
  • 74% increased Spell Damage if your other Ring is an Elder Item
  • Cannot be Stunned by Spells if your other Ring is a Shaper Item
  • Let madness take control.

    Corruption Twirl
    Diamond Ring
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  • 29% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
  • Adds 9 to 13 Physical Damage to Attacks
  • +9 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +28 to maximum Mana
  • +48% to Cold Resistance
  • +48% to Lightning Resistance
  • +15% to Fire and Cold Resistances
  • Astramentis
    Onyx Amulet
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  • +16 to all Attributes
  • +86 to all Attributes
  • -4 Physical Damage taken from Attack Hits
  • Mindless rage will shake the world,

    Cunning lies will bend it.

    Reckless haste will break the world,

    And into darkness send it.

    Shaper's Touch
    Crusader Gloves
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  • 112% increased Armour and Energy Shield
  • +4 Accuracy Rating per 2 Intelligence
  • +1 Life per 4 Dexterity
  • +2 Mana per 4 Strength
  • 2% increased Energy Shield per 10 Strength
  • 2% increased Evasion Rating per 10 Intelligence
  • 2% increased Melee Physical Damage per 10 Dexterity
  • By my hand, the inert is given life.

    By my hand, that which rots is reborn.

    There is nothing that cannot be changed.

    Nothing.

    Brood Clasp
    Stygian Vise
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  • Has 1 Abyssal Socket
  • +56 to Strength
  • +31 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +40% to Fire Resistance
  • +13% to Lightning Resistance
  • +232 to Armour
  • +23 to maximum Energy Shield
  • Corruption Spark
    Arcanist Slippers
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  • +24 to Intelligence
  • +42 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 82% increased Energy Shield
  • +32% to Fire Resistance
  • 15% increased Movement Speed
  • +30% to Cold Resistance
  • Ample Diamond Flask of Staunching
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    Click to expand
  • +20 to Maximum Charges
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Perpetual Diamond Flask of Craving
    -
    Click to expand
  • 33% increased Charge Recovery
  • 0.4% of Physical Attack Damage Leeched as Mana during Flask effect
  • Perpetual Quicksilver Flask of Heat
    -
    Click to expand
  • 31% increased Charge Recovery
  • Immunity to Freeze and Chill during Flask effect Removes Freeze and Chill on use
  • Dying Sun
    Ruby Flask
    Click to expand
  • 10% reduced Charges used
  • Skills fire 2 additional Projectiles during Flask Effect
  • 16% increased Area of Effect during Flask Effect
  • All things must die.

    Whether you burn out or explode is up to you.

    Experimenter's Silver Flask of Warding
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    Click to expand
  • Immune to Curses during Flask effect Removes Curses on use
  • 40% increased Duration




  • EDIT 2: Uber Elder down! Switched from Assassin to Juggernaut for a little bit more safety, also because I never did UElder before
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    Baneslayer
    Jul 19, 2019 11:27:43 AM
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