Forum Index Duelist [3.8 updated] Post-nerfed "Vengeance on Crit" Gladiator. Counter-attacks are still fine. 8m+ dps

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Leveled up the build to 84 and spent somewhere between 3 and 4 ex on it, and I have to say it's amzing, both in genereal and compared to the investment. It wrecks guardians, and working on my way to shaper (missing hydra).

What do you think about a Voidforge version? that scales vengeance very well too.

Zoda_Jones
Jul 12, 2019 21:45:56 PM

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Zoda_Jones wrote:

What do you think about a Voidforge version? that scales vengeance very well too.


Not the OP but I took notes from this build to convert my Voidforge cyclone into what you're talking about. It works pretty well. I think the Pillar version is probably better because Impale is so insane but the Shock of Voidforge is good too. You get max shock on everything in the game with the huge Vengeance crits.

You lose block also which is a downside (makes Slayer the better ascendancy as well).

On the plus side for defense your Vengeance will freeze anything in the game that is not immune to freeze.

aimlessgun
Jul 12, 2019 22:01:22 PM

Justed wanted to come on in and mention how amazing and intelligent the build design is on this.

It's serious underplayed how much glancing blows is a serious protector of one-shots during difficult Legion encounters. Between that and "Slayer" type Vaal Pact leech, the build feels a LOT more tanky than it looks on paper.

You've done the damage calculations on the front page, but just a props to the damage actually being representative of what you featured with the items listed. A second mention to drive home that the budget for this build is very low. I hate trying to 6L items, so having a cheap 6L as a base to work with really makes it easy to get going.

Have done all content so far, now @ lvl 92. Nothing was really tough. 1 death to Uber Elder because rural ISP.

Gromrok
Jul 13, 2019 03:37:55 AM

Hi, can I get astramentis instead of that unique amulet?

PolskiSernik
Jul 13, 2019 18:42:59 PM

And "Your counterattackers have double damage" and "40% increased damage if You haven't taken any damage" and block from everything, so "COUNTERATTACK" is when mob attack us, if We have block that double damage is useless? if yes, I think gladiator is bad ascendancy.

PolskiSernik
Jul 13, 2019 19:21:51 PM

And "Your counterattackers have double damage" and "40% increased damage if You haven't taken any damage" and block from everything, so "COUNTERATTACK" is when mob attack us, if We have block that double damage is useless? if yes, I think gladiator is bad ascendancy.

PolskiSernik
Jul 13, 2019 19:22:01 PM

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PolskiSernik wrote:
Hi, can I get astramentis instead of that unique amulet?


no. you should double check the "core ideas TLDR" section and make sure you understand how this build works.

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PolskiSernik wrote:
And "Your counterattackers have double damage" and "40% increased damage if You haven't taken any damage" and block from everything, so "COUNTERATTACK" is when mob attack us, if We have block that double damage is useless? if yes, I think gladiator is bad ascendancy.


that's incorrect. "counter attack" is a category of skills, vengeance is one of them (the other two are riposte and reckoning), so with the gladiator ascendancy, vengeance has 100% chance to deal double damage, which is crucial considering most of the damage of this build are from vengeance.

insobyr
Jul 13, 2019 22:11:51 PM

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PolskiSernik wrote:
And "Your counterattackers have double damage" and "40% increased damage if You haven't taken any damage" and block from everything, so "COUNTERATTACK" is when mob attack us, if We have block that double damage is useless? if yes, I think gladiator is bad ascendancy.

you are absolutely wrong.
for cyclone you are right but about vengeance , gladiator so far best damage output.
even more damage than berserker

federal11
Jul 14, 2019 16:02:52 PM

Ive recently found your guide and rerolled to this.
Find the idea of vengeance and playstyle very interesting! I need some advice on what to upgrade. I probably havent got optimised gear/jewels at all but feeling really weak atm as if I Missed some key ingredient to the build.
(im quite a new player to poe btw)
Should I be stacking more strength and crit on jewels? Im also using different belt/boots/gloves due to some resist issues. Could these be of such a massive loss towards the capable power of the vengeance? anyways Im open to some critique.

https://pastebin.com/TKQPKC5e


greetings

trwestphal
Jul 14, 2019 16:53:35 PM

Just a quick sample semi budget gear I'm using. spent about 4 ex on it alltogether. Pride watcher's eye would be a nice upgrade, but saving up for a 2 additional impale stack one (although all mods are decent, maybe except for the % phys damage, some stacked strength jewel can give similar dmg bonus).

Pillar of the Caged God
Iron Staff
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  • +18% Chance to Block Attack Damage while wielding a Staff
  • 1% increased Area of Effect per 20 Intelligence
  • 1% increased Attack Speed per 10 Dexterity
  • 16% increased Physical Weapon Damage per 10 Strength
  • Forged to rule the waves and tide

    Destined to serve the monkey's paw

    Strong as a tower of iron

    Deft as the needle doubt

    The Iron Fortress
    Crusader Plate
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  • +1% Chance to Block Attack Damage per 50 Strength
  • Chance to Block Spell Damage is Unlucky
  • +98 to Strength
  • 100% increased Armour
  • 10% reduced Movement Speed
  • Strength's Damage Bonus instead grants 3% increased Melee Physical Damage per 10 Strength
  • "Stand steadfast in the face of destruction.

    The Council cannot afford to falter."

    - Mauritius, the Iron Heart

    Ghoul Guardian
    Eternal Burgonet
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  • +2 to Level of Socketed Minion Gems
  • +37 to Strength
  • +89 to maximum Life
  • 3% increased maximum Life
  • +23% to Lightning Resistance
  • Regenerate 1% of Life per second
  • Alberon's Warpath
    Soldier Boots
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  • Adds 1 to 80 Chaos Damage to Attacks
  • +219 to Armour
  • +10% to Chaos Resistance
  • 20% increased Movement Speed
  • +1 to maximum number of Skeletons
  • 18% increased Strength
  • Alberon walked among the accursed,

    and they welcomed him.

    Corpse Knuckle
    Spiked Gloves
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  • 20% increased Melee Damage
  • +53 to Strength
  • Adds 1 to 5 Lightning Damage to Attacks
  • +527 to Accuracy Rating
  • +14 to Armour
  • +101 to maximum Life
  • +46% to Lightning Resistance
  • Dread Bind
    Heavy Belt
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  • +34 to Strength
  • +42 to Strength
  • +16 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +85 to maximum Life
  • +44% to Fire Resistance
  • +45% to Cold Resistance
  • +149 to Armour
  • +12 to maximum Energy Shield
  • Eye of Innocence
    Citrine Amulet
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  • +16% to all Elemental Resistances
  • 10% chance to Ignite
  • 53% increased Damage while Ignited
  • Take 100 Fire Damage when you Ignite an Enemy
  • 2% of Fire Damage Leeched as Life while Ignited
  • "...and so He said: 'Let only the good meet my gaze'

    and no eye met His. So He called down the cleansing flames

    and let black smoke sweep the Sinners away."

    - Book of Innocence

    Woe Finger
    Sapphire Ring
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  • +29% to Cold Resistance
  • +51 to Strength
  • +244 to Accuracy Rating
  • +61 to maximum Life
  • +42% to Lightning Resistance
  • Adds 6 to 9 Physical Damage to Attacks
  • Kraken Hold
    Two-Stone Ring
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  • +16% to Fire and Lightning Resistances
  • +41 to Strength
  • Adds 11 to 25 Fire Damage to Attacks
  • +65 to maximum Life
  • +44% to Fire Resistance
  • +43% to Cold Resistance
  • Adds 6 to 9 Physical Damage to Attacks


  • Also planning to fossil craft my helm a bit more eventually, but got this in 2-3 rolls and decided to roll with it.

    The armor would be a more expensive upgrade, but I'm very satisfied with The Iron Fortress so far (2ex for a 6 link is easily bargain too considering how fitting it is for the build, spend a few divines if the roll is too low). I'm planning to self craft an elder astral plate eventually, so I can drop my belt for Soul Thether and use a Doryani timeless jewel. Or maybe just a sick elder/shaper heavy belt...

    Lvl 89 and breezed through everything so far, including multiple red elder runs, shaper and guardians.

    Zoda_Jones
    Jul 14, 2019 20:10:40 PM
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