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Iceblaze23 wrote:
Build has been pretty great so far! I've pushed up to tier 12-13 maps but now I've hit another wall, as I can just be randomly one-shot. I have around 5.1k health and 2.9k ES and obviously max resists. What am I doing wrong? DPS feels pretty solid at this point mostly, but I'm really just more concerned about my survivability. Could you take a look at my build or just in general give some surivivability tips? Here's my build: https://pastebin.com/aCKRXnsh


I'd say try to have permanent uptime on your fortify and balance your wise oak resists for 10% less elemental damage taken. Check your pantheons and see if you're running defensive options in Solaris/Lunaris + Ralakesh/Yugul.

If this doesn't work, switch out your Cospri's Malice for a faster one, take Coordination in Shadow start and drop your Silver flask for a Basalt or other defensive flask.

If there are still issues you may want to consider purchasing a Acuity or running Discipline with an ES on hit Watcher's Eye.

Also take a look at your gameplay and map mods and make sure you're not playing too HAM. The build is quite tanky for the investment, but it's not the be-all-end-all compared to max block/dodge or extremely high phys/ele mitigation builds at least not without investing into more defensive layers or recovery.

P.S. what is the source of the one shots, if it's legion mobs you should approach them similar to the strategy for dealing with engineered constructs in Incursions and flank at perpendicular angles.

Ralign
Jun 24, 2019 00:07:54 AM

I'll definitely try those out when I get back tonight! Thank you. One shots are always legion mobs or map bosses.

Iceblaze23
Jun 24, 2019 00:34:24 AM

I get a cospri's malice corrupted with the frenzy charge generation like you recommend but it has "11 increased attack speed". Its not viable for the build? its too much IAS? or its fine like that?..I read an older guide from 3.5 that recommend 8 or 9 attack speed in cospri...

Cospri's Malice
Jewelled Foil
Click to expand
  • Gain a Frenzy Charge after Spending a total of 200 Mana
  • Trigger a Socketed Cold Spell on Melee Critical Strike
  • +257 Intelligence Requirement
  • No Physical Damage
  • Adds 100 to 195 Cold Damage
  • Adds 58 to 100 Cold Damage to Spells
  • 11% increased Attack Speed
  • 60% increased Critical Strike Chance against Chilled Enemies
  • Breathe deep, my child.

    Let the frigid air engulf your soul.

    Embrace the eternal cold,

    And it will embrace you back.

    yissus
    Jun 24, 2019 01:36:00 AM

    Is the part about needing 15 aps for dual wielding cospri current? The wiki says both weapons hit during a cyclone tick while dual wielding, so if they're able to proc together, wouldn't you only need 7.5?

    PrisonPrincess
    Jun 24, 2019 02:12:40 AM

    "
    Is the part about needing 15 aps for dual wielding cospri current? The wiki says both weapons hit during a cyclone tick while dual wielding, so if they're able to proc together, wouldn't you only need 7.5?


    The wiki is not current, cyclone alternates now at its written attack speed.

    Ralign
    Jun 24, 2019 03:40:29 AM

    "
    yissus wrote:
    I get a cospri's malice corrupted with the frenzy charge generation like you recommend but it has "11 increased attack speed". Its not viable for the build? its too much IAS?

    Cospri's Malice
    Jewelled Foil
    Click to expand
  • Gain a Frenzy Charge after Spending a total of 200 Mana
  • Trigger a Socketed Cold Spell on Melee Critical Strike
  • +257 Intelligence Requirement
  • No Physical Damage
  • Adds 100 to 195 Cold Damage
  • Adds 58 to 100 Cold Damage to Spells
  • 11% increased Attack Speed
  • 60% increased Critical Strike Chance against Chilled Enemies
  • Breathe deep, my child.

    Let the frigid air engulf your soul.

    Embrace the eternal cold,

    And it will embrace you back.



    It's viable, but you might need to adjust the attack speed you have on the tree. You should test it out on PoB with the gear you have available.

    Ralign
    Jun 24, 2019 03:41:18 AM

    Hey, first time using Cospri and CoC in general so abit noob here.

    I read some parts about "you can only have x attack speed or you exceed the limit or smth" ? Mabye im just dumb for not understanding. I have 7.14 buffed and 6.49 without poachers mark, i saw, i have poachers mark on jewel, is it bad? Too much aps?

    Anyway here's my gear, im only level 80 tho. Any help is appreciated. This is my favourite build ever :D Love the new cyclone and with more explosions, better!

    Cospri's Malice
    Jewelled Foil
    Click to expand
  • +25% to Global Critical Strike Multiplier
  • Trigger a Socketed Cold Spell on Melee Critical Strike
  • +257 Intelligence Requirement
  • No Physical Damage
  • Adds 87 to 191 Cold Damage
  • Adds 59 to 95 Cold Damage to Spells
  • 9% increased Attack Speed
  • 60% increased Critical Strike Chance against Chilled Enemies
  • Breathe deep, my child.

    Let the frigid air engulf your soul.

    Embrace the eternal cold,

    And it will embrace you back.

    Starkonja's Head
    Silken Hood
    Click to expand
  • +64 to Dexterity
  • 50% reduced Damage when on Low Life
  • 10% increased Attack Speed
  • 25% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
  • 130% increased Evasion Rating
  • +92 to maximum Life
  • 150% increased Global Evasion Rating when on Low Life
  • There was no hero made out of Starkonja's death,

    but merely a long sleep made eternal.

    Light of Lunaris
    Jingling Spirit Shield
    Click to expand
  • 12% increased Spell Damage
  • Adds 38 to 55 Cold Damage to Spells
  • 76% increased Critical Strike Chance for Spells
  • 554% increased Energy Shield
  • +8% Chance to Block
  • +1% to Critical Strike Multiplier per 1% Chance to Block Attack Damage
  • +25% to Critical Strike Multiplier if you've dealt a Non-Critical Strike Recently
  • Without night, there can be no day.

    Yoke of Suffering
    Onyx Amulet
    Click to expand
  • +15 to all Attributes
  • +10% to Fire Resistance
  • +18% to Cold Resistance
  • +35% to Lightning Resistance
  • 30% reduced Duration of Ailments on Enemies
  • 7% chance to Shock
  • Enemies take 5% increased Damage for each type of Ailment you have inflicted on them
  • Your Elemental Damage can Shock
  • Let the unrepentant be dragged ever downwards by the weight of their sins.

    Rune Gyre
    Two-Stone Ring
    Click to expand
  • +15% to Cold and Lightning Resistances
  • +44 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 13% increased Mana Regeneration Rate
  • Curse Enemies with Level 12 Poacher's Mark on Hit
  • +51 to maximum Life
  • Loreweave
    Elegant Ringmail
    Click to expand
  • Has 6 Sockets
  • +24 to all Attributes
  • Adds 5 to 24 Physical Damage to Attacks
  • 53% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
  • +42 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +33 to maximum Life
  • +50 to maximum Mana
  • 6% increased Rarity of Items found
  • 48% increased Elemental Damage
  • Your Maximum Resistances are 77%
  • When it comes to finding a use for surplus,

    a rich man has within himself

    boundless creativity.

    Mark of the Shaper
    Opal Ring
    Click to expand
  • 24% increased Elemental Damage
  • 20% chance to Trigger Level 20 Summon Volatile Anomaly on Kill
  • Adds 18 to 54 Lightning Damage to Spells
  • 10% increased maximum Energy Shield
  • 10% increased maximum Life
  • 68% increased Spell Damage if your other Ring is an Elder Item
  • Cannot be Stunned by Spells if your other Ring is a Shaper Item
  • Let madness take control.

    Ghoul Pace
    Conjurer Boots
    Click to expand
  • Regenerate 9.6 Life per second
  • +35% to Fire Resistance
  • +38% to Cold Resistance
  • 30% increased Movement Speed
  • +68 to maximum Life
  • Soul Tether
    Cloth Belt
    Click to expand
  • 6% increased maximum Life
  • +36 to Intelligence
  • Your Energy Shield starts at zero
  • You cannot Recharge Energy Shield
  • You cannot Regenerate Energy Shield
  • You lose 5% of Energy Shield per second
  • Life Leech effects are not removed at Full Life Life Leech effects Recover Energy Shield instead while on Full Life
  • Gain 6% of Maximum Life as Extra Maximum Energy Shield
  • Vaal bloodpriests were among the earliest intellectuals on record.

    It was they who found that a newly freed soul would

    desperately cling to any other source of life.

    Phoenix Vise
    Sorcerer Gloves
    Click to expand
  • +12 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +68 to maximum Life
  • Regenerate 14.3 Life per second
  • +45% to Fire Resistance
  • +44% to Lightning Resistance
  • +31 to maximum Energy Shield

  • Bubbling Divine Life Flask of Staunching
    -
    Click to expand
  • 50% reduced Amount Recovered
  • 135% increased Recovery rate
  • 50% of Recovery applied Instantly
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Atziri's Promise
    Amethyst Flask
    Click to expand
  • 2% of Chaos Damage Leeched as Life during Flask effect
  • Gain 16% of Physical Damage as Extra Chaos Damage during effect
  • Gain 10% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos Damage during effect
  • "Death needs not your understanding. It needs only your loyalty."

    - Atziri, Queen of the Vaal

    Chemist's Diamond Flask of Staunching
    -
    Click to expand
  • 21% reduced Charges used
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Avenger's Quicksilver Flask of Grounding
    -
    Click to expand
  • Recharges 3 Charges when you take a Critical Strike
  • Immunity to Shock during Flask effect Removes Shock on use
  • Perpetual Basalt Flask of Heat
    -
    Click to expand
  • 20% increased Charge Recovery
  • Immunity to Freeze and Chill during Flask effect Removes Freeze and Chill on use
  • Cyterizz
    Jun 24, 2019 04:25:19 AM

    Hello Ralign. I really need help in optimizing my character. I looked into your build and some other CoC builds but somehow my damage is not that great on shaper/uelder.I am really lost now. I've been doing much more with my first character slayer RL(no crit) cyclone for example i could stand in shapers beam and nuke him to death. It just felt much stronger. I am not sure what i did wrong building CoC assassin and i already invested abit currency. Maybe you could help me fixing my build? Maybe dual-wield cospri would be the best option? But I am not sure how should I do that please take a look on my character when u have some free time.Any help much appreciated :) https://pastebin.com/0TjeUCse

    Cospri's Malice
    Jewelled Foil
    Click to expand
  • +25% to Global Critical Strike Multiplier
  • Trigger a Socketed Cold Spell on Melee Critical Strike
  • +257 Intelligence Requirement
  • No Physical Damage
  • Adds 94 to 168 Cold Damage
  • Adds 40 to 108 Cold Damage to Spells
  • 8% increased Attack Speed
  • 60% increased Critical Strike Chance against Chilled Enemies
  • Breathe deep, my child.

    Let the frigid air engulf your soul.

    Embrace the eternal cold,

    And it will embrace you back.

    Lycosidae
    Rawhide Tower Shield
    Click to expand
  • +20 to maximum Life
  • +153 to Armour
  • +36 to maximum Life
  • Your hits can't be Evaded
  • +3% Chance to Block
  • Adds 250 to 300 Cold Damage to Counterattacks
  • A true predator does not chase; It waits.

    Loreweave
    Elegant Ringmail
    Click to expand
  • Has 6 Sockets
  • +12 to all Attributes
  • Adds 9 to 23 Physical Damage to Attacks
  • 44% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
  • +48 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +52 to maximum Life
  • +39 to maximum Mana
  • 14% increased Rarity of Items found
  • 41% increased Elemental Damage
  • Your Maximum Resistances are 78%
  • When it comes to finding a use for surplus,

    a rich man has within himself

    boundless creativity.

    Atziri's Acuity
    Vaal Gauntlets
    Click to expand
  • +74 to Intelligence
  • 35% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
  • 202% increased Armour
  • +66 to maximum Life
  • You have Vaal Pact if you've dealt a Critical Strike Recently
  • "The heart is the herald.

    It will tell me when it is best to strike."

    - Atziri, Queen of the Vaal

    Kraken March
    Sorcerer Boots
    Click to expand
  • +87 to maximum Life
  • +59 to maximum Mana
  • +32% to Fire Resistance
  • +37% to Lightning Resistance
  • 30% increased Movement Speed
  • 5% increased Movement Speed if you haven't been Hit Recently
  • +33% to Cold Resistance
  • The Pandemonius
    Jade Amulet
    Click to expand
  • +30 to Dexterity
  • 21% increased Cold Damage
  • +36% to Cold Resistance
  • Chill Enemy for 1 second when Hit, reducing their Action Speed by 30%
  • Blind Chilled Enemies on Hit
  • Damage Penetrates 20% Cold Resistance against Chilled Enemies
  • A single moment sets in motion an eternal fall,

    beneath which all are buried.

    Mark of the Shaper
    Opal Ring
    Click to expand
  • 25% increased Elemental Damage
  • 20% chance to Trigger Level 20 Summon Volatile Anomaly on Kill
  • Adds 14 to 56 Lightning Damage to Spells
  • 9% increased maximum Energy Shield
  • 9% increased maximum Life
  • 76% increased Spell Damage if your other Ring is an Elder Item
  • Cannot be Stunned by Spells if your other Ring is a Shaper Item
  • Let madness take control.

    Oblivion Hold
    Coral Ring
    Click to expand
  • +30 to maximum Life
  • +31 to Intelligence
  • 28% increased Cold Damage
  • +71 to maximum Life
  • 14% increased Rarity of Items found
  • +14% to Fire and Cold Resistances
  • Chimeric Strap
    Leather Belt
    Click to expand
  • +40 to maximum Life
  • Grants Level 22 Abyssal Cry Skill
  • +96 to maximum Life
  • +44% to Lightning Resistance
  • 14% increased Cooldown Recovery Speed
  • +33% to Fire Resistance
  • Bubbling Divine Life Flask of Staunching
    -
    Click to expand
  • 50% reduced Amount Recovered
  • 135% increased Recovery rate
  • 50% of Recovery applied Instantly
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Seething Divine Life Flask of Heat
    -
    Click to expand
  • 66% reduced Amount Recovered
  • Instant Recovery
  • Immunity to Freeze and Chill during Flask effect Removes Freeze and Chill on use
  • Experimenter's Diamond Flask of Adrenaline
    -
    Click to expand
  • 29% increased Movement Speed during Flask effect
  • 32% increased Duration
  • Perpetual Quicksilver Flask of Adrenaline
    -
    Click to expand
  • 33% increased Charge Recovery
  • 20% increased Movement Speed during Flask effect
  • The Wise Oak
    Bismuth Flask
    Click to expand
  • During Flask Effect, 10% reduced Damage taken of each Element for which your Uncapped Elemental Resistance is lowest
  • During Flask Effect, Damage Penetrates 15% Resistance of each Element for which your Uncapped Elemental Resistance is highest
  • The summer sun dries the soil and burns the leaves.

    The autumn rain extinguishes the flames.

    The spring bloom shades the wet earth.

    Nature is an eternal tug of war.

    Shetzki
    Jun 24, 2019 04:28:08 AM

    "
    Cyterizz wrote:
    Hey, first time using Cospri and CoC in general so abit noob here.

    I read some parts about "you can only have x attack speed or you exceed the limit or smth" ? Mabye im just dumb for not understanding. I have 7.14 buffed and 6.49 without poachers mark, i saw, i have poachers mark on jewel, is it bad? Too much aps?

    Anyway here's my gear, im only level 80 tho. Any help is appreciated. This is my favourite build ever :D Love the new cyclone and with more explosions, better!

    Cospri's Malice
    Jewelled Foil
    Click to expand
  • +25% to Global Critical Strike Multiplier
  • Trigger a Socketed Cold Spell on Melee Critical Strike
  • +257 Intelligence Requirement
  • No Physical Damage
  • Adds 87 to 191 Cold Damage
  • Adds 59 to 95 Cold Damage to Spells
  • 9% increased Attack Speed
  • 60% increased Critical Strike Chance against Chilled Enemies
  • Breathe deep, my child.

    Let the frigid air engulf your soul.

    Embrace the eternal cold,

    And it will embrace you back.

    Starkonja's Head
    Silken Hood
    Click to expand
  • +64 to Dexterity
  • 50% reduced Damage when on Low Life
  • 10% increased Attack Speed
  • 25% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
  • 130% increased Evasion Rating
  • +92 to maximum Life
  • 150% increased Global Evasion Rating when on Low Life
  • There was no hero made out of Starkonja's death,

    but merely a long sleep made eternal.

    Light of Lunaris
    Jingling Spirit Shield
    Click to expand
  • 12% increased Spell Damage
  • Adds 38 to 55 Cold Damage to Spells
  • 76% increased Critical Strike Chance for Spells
  • 554% increased Energy Shield
  • +8% Chance to Block
  • +1% to Critical Strike Multiplier per 1% Chance to Block Attack Damage
  • +25% to Critical Strike Multiplier if you've dealt a Non-Critical Strike Recently
  • Without night, there can be no day.

    Yoke of Suffering
    Onyx Amulet
    Click to expand
  • +15 to all Attributes
  • +10% to Fire Resistance
  • +18% to Cold Resistance
  • +35% to Lightning Resistance
  • 30% reduced Duration of Ailments on Enemies
  • 7% chance to Shock
  • Enemies take 5% increased Damage for each type of Ailment you have inflicted on them
  • Your Elemental Damage can Shock
  • Let the unrepentant be dragged ever downwards by the weight of their sins.

    Rune Gyre
    Two-Stone Ring
    Click to expand
  • +15% to Cold and Lightning Resistances
  • +44 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 13% increased Mana Regeneration Rate
  • Curse Enemies with Level 12 Poacher's Mark on Hit
  • +51 to maximum Life
  • Loreweave
    Elegant Ringmail
    Click to expand
  • Has 6 Sockets
  • +24 to all Attributes
  • Adds 5 to 24 Physical Damage to Attacks
  • 53% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
  • +42 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +33 to maximum Life
  • +50 to maximum Mana
  • 6% increased Rarity of Items found
  • 48% increased Elemental Damage
  • Your Maximum Resistances are 77%
  • When it comes to finding a use for surplus,

    a rich man has within himself

    boundless creativity.

    Mark of the Shaper
    Opal Ring
    Click to expand
  • 24% increased Elemental Damage
  • 20% chance to Trigger Level 20 Summon Volatile Anomaly on Kill
  • Adds 18 to 54 Lightning Damage to Spells
  • 10% increased maximum Energy Shield
  • 10% increased maximum Life
  • 68% increased Spell Damage if your other Ring is an Elder Item
  • Cannot be Stunned by Spells if your other Ring is a Shaper Item
  • Let madness take control.

    Ghoul Pace
    Conjurer Boots
    Click to expand
  • Regenerate 9.6 Life per second
  • +35% to Fire Resistance
  • +38% to Cold Resistance
  • 30% increased Movement Speed
  • +68 to maximum Life
  • Soul Tether
    Cloth Belt
    Click to expand
  • 6% increased maximum Life
  • +36 to Intelligence
  • Your Energy Shield starts at zero
  • You cannot Recharge Energy Shield
  • You cannot Regenerate Energy Shield
  • You lose 5% of Energy Shield per second
  • Life Leech effects are not removed at Full Life Life Leech effects Recover Energy Shield instead while on Full Life
  • Gain 6% of Maximum Life as Extra Maximum Energy Shield
  • Vaal bloodpriests were among the earliest intellectuals on record.

    It was they who found that a newly freed soul would

    desperately cling to any other source of life.

    Phoenix Vise
    Sorcerer Gloves
    Click to expand
  • +12 to maximum Energy Shield
  • +68 to maximum Life
  • Regenerate 14.3 Life per second
  • +45% to Fire Resistance
  • +44% to Lightning Resistance
  • +31 to maximum Energy Shield

  • Bubbling Divine Life Flask of Staunching
    -
    Click to expand
  • 50% reduced Amount Recovered
  • 135% increased Recovery rate
  • 50% of Recovery applied Instantly
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Atziri's Promise
    Amethyst Flask
    Click to expand
  • 2% of Chaos Damage Leeched as Life during Flask effect
  • Gain 16% of Physical Damage as Extra Chaos Damage during effect
  • Gain 10% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos Damage during effect
  • "Death needs not your understanding. It needs only your loyalty."

    - Atziri, Queen of the Vaal

    Chemist's Diamond Flask of Staunching
    -
    Click to expand
  • 21% reduced Charges used
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Avenger's Quicksilver Flask of Grounding
    -
    Click to expand
  • Recharges 3 Charges when you take a Critical Strike
  • Immunity to Shock during Flask effect Removes Shock on use
  • Perpetual Basalt Flask of Heat
    -
    Click to expand
  • 20% increased Charge Recovery
  • Immunity to Freeze and Chill during Flask effect Removes Freeze and Chill on use


  • You have no "% increased Cooldown Recovery Speed" which means you only want your APS to be 6 or under. Poacher's mark is fine, but you only get Frenzy charges on trash mobs and not bosses which means that if you optimize for bosses Poacher's mark will screw up your clear.

    This gives you two options:
    A) get your iCRS to 14% and keep your APS <7.5
    B) change no gear and drop your aps to <6

    Explanation

    Your spells with CoC have a cooldown of 165ms (you can trigger at most 6 times a second). If you try to go over this APS it starts to skip triggers and you will do much less DPS.

    You can make the cooldown shorter with iCRS stat of AT LEAST 14%. This makes you cooldown with CoC 132ms (you can trigger at most 7.5 times a second). The same as before if you go over this APS you will do much less DPS.

    Ralign
    Jun 24, 2019 06:45:35 AM

    Hi there, just a bit of insight concerning Steelskin/Immortal call.
    Since we have enough strength to level Steelskin to 20+ and don't have endurance charges, it's actually better to level Steelskin and cast it manually when you enter into a pack.
    Since the cooldown is pretty low, it acts like a buffer and protects from those damn one shots way more reliably.

    If i'm not mistaken IC procs AFTER receiving the CWDT-triggering hit, so it doesn't prevent from being one shot by a legion mob right off the bat.

    That aside, I have a question concerning resists if you pick Atziri's acuity, and with damage mitigation in general. How do you cap your resists efficiently ? I had some issues even with the gloves, and since we have to reserve 2 jewels to proc the other ailments, the room for improvement is really low.

    Same question for accuracy, how do you manage to get decent hit chance without lycosidae ? I had 10% increased accuracy on a ring and ended up at 70% hit change +/-, with precision lvl 1. Sure, there is poacher's mark, but it still felt like missing a lot of hits.

    TheBeardmage
    Jun 24, 2019 14:53:43 PM
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