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Cyrix1337 wrote:

Don't forget to buy high level searching eye abyss jewels and alt-spam them. Even if you just hit t1 life with one phys roll it might very well be better then most things you can buy for expensive on the market. Take whatever the regal gives you. Only much later on when you farm endgame you can go crazy and invest a lot into perfect jewels.


This is absolutely right though I've somewhat learned this the hard way. Also, that shroud is really important guys, try to get it as a tabby is only so good.

I'm seeing a few small discrepancies on the build guide as of 3.8. For instance, there are 3 PoB links all for 3.7, and two of them are the same while the other is different. and the tree is slightly different from one of them that also has higher damage but took King of the Hill instead of the other arrow nodes...

The PoBs in this guide:
3.7 PoB: "https://pastebin.com/SzJ1yY36"

"Some small changes to the Tree with 3.7 you can take a look at here in the PoB:

Spoiler
"https://pastebin.com/YQmcb09A"

The one that I was following was originally the tree one, but it takes master fletcher instead of King of the Hill.

Also, are the channeling nodes actually good for us to take over say the other half of the bow cluster we already dip into? Also, is the pathing through finesse into eagle the best for us as well?


Just asking to make sure I'm on track and understanding what the best utility is here.
Edit: I'm also not sure on the gems as I'm seeing different things as I read. Not sure if I should be taking damage on full life, crit, or infused channeling as the most important gems after scourge, and elemental damage with attacks and mirage archer.

Xenithos
Sep 13, 2019 00:58:13 AM

What pantheon souls are you guys running? I've been leveling both SA and ROA but been using Lunaris and Shakari. Im thinking invlun to poison will be nice and mvspeed/damage mitigation from lunaris is nice but it seems bosses are more of an issue than groups so I'm thinking maybe solaris would be better

nichenry
Sep 13, 2019 04:30:43 AM

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Xenithos wrote:
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Cyrix1337 wrote:

Don't forget to buy high level searching eye abyss jewels and alt-spam them. Even if you just hit t1 life with one phys roll it might very well be better then most things you can buy for expensive on the market. Take whatever the regal gives you. Only much later on when you farm endgame you can go crazy and invest a lot into perfect jewels.


This is absolutely right though I've somewhat learned this the hard way. Also, that shroud is really important guys, try to get it as a tabby is only so good.

I'm seeing a few small discrepancies on the build guide as of 3.8. For instance, there are 3 PoB links all for 3.7, and two of them are the same while the other is different. and the tree is slightly different from one of them that also has higher damage but took King of the Hill instead of the other arrow nodes...

The PoBs in this guide:
3.7 PoB: "https://pastebin.com/SzJ1yY36"

"Some small changes to the Tree with 3.7 you can take a look at here in the PoB:

Spoiler
"https://pastebin.com/YQmcb09A"

The one that I was following was originally the tree one, but it takes master fletcher instead of King of the Hill.

Also, are the channeling nodes actually good for us to take over say the other half of the bow cluster we already dip into? Also, is the pathing through finesse into eagle the best for us as well?


Just asking to make sure I'm on track and understanding what the best utility is here.
Edit: I'm also not sure on the gems as I'm seeing different things as I read. Not sure if I should be taking damage on full life, crit, or infused channeling as the most important gems after scourge, and elemental damage with attacks and mirage archer.


Fixed the one pob link. Thank you!

The reason for King of the Hill vs Master Fletcher is the Accuracy.
If you are capped on accuracy (which tends to happen with the unnatural instinct) King of the Hill offers more DPS - if you are not, the Accurancy from Master Fletcher might make that pathing more valuable to you.

So it isn't really an easy answer of: 'that there is always better' - its an: thats better or more optimal given those circumstances.

About the channeling nodes: DPS wise the other part of the Bow tree might offer you more, yes. But getting endurance charges is IMO worth more then getting a bit more DPS when the DPS is stupid anyhow. This also obviously depends a bit on playstyle and other things.

Depending on your gear and where you are at dps wise you might value that differently. Again - this is subjective on where you are gear-wise. Same goes for the Acuity nodes btw. I always encourage people to path their own tree - with the way Accuracy works the best pathing might be different depending on gear - and I to be quite honest I will not spend hours updating this buildguide with every patch for some minor % gains due to some changes on the passive tree.
Bigger things I take into account or remark on, sure. But please be considerate when you expect me to make minute adjustments to every guide/character I make. I do not really have that much time available. :)

If you lack damage/accuracy go for Master Fletcher, sure. Or try the Lionseye jewel and go for the claw nodes etc. There are multiple ways for bow builds to path on the tree. I choose this one since it gives a lot life and survivability - especially for a bow build - and damage after a certain point (after 1Mio+ in my experience) doesn't really add a lot. :)

Cyrix1337
Sep 13, 2019 11:03:27 AM

About to start this build, couple of quick questions?

Coming Calamity for chest for reduced herald costs?

If we get a 6L bow with a 30% reduction to herald cost can you add ele damage or something? Lose the 4lvl Enlighten? Seems we can squeeze some more dps out somehow, though I haven't tested it yet....

LockedGoblin689
Sep 13, 2019 18:06:01 PM

Also a little question that I'm always struggling with.
At what point does one swap out the tempest for doomfletch while leveling?
It's just so hard to tell since tooltip isn't a indicator for this build and so on.

Chridian
Sep 13, 2019 19:56:05 PM

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Chridian wrote:
Also a little question that I'm always struggling with.
At what point does one swap out the tempest for doomfletch while leveling?
It's just so hard to tell since tooltip isn't a indicator for this build and so on.

Once you can use both the Doomfletch Prism and the Shroud of Lightless together then go ahead and switch over.

YT_HB
Sep 13, 2019 20:17:48 PM

I Didn't even level with Tempest. Doomfletch itself is op enough lol. Died 0times until maps. Was wearing goldin,doomfletch,bereks grip and a random phys dmg quiver while lvling. Worked out really well.

NameMerken
Sep 13, 2019 21:17:35 PM

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About to start this build, couple of quick questions?

Coming Calamity for chest for reduced herald costs?

If we get a 6L bow with a 30% reduction to herald cost can you add ele damage or something? Lose the 4lvl Enlighten? Seems we can squeeze some more dps out somehow, though I haven't tested it yet....


No. Just - ugh. Too much to explain here why that doesn't work. I like that you try to think for yourself and enjoy the game - but no. This is not how this works or functions and do not do that.

Just follow the guide? ^^'

Cyrix1337
Sep 13, 2019 22:50:38 PM

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Coming Calamity for chest for reduced herald costs?
Huh it doesn't reduce herald cost it ups it from 25% to 45%. Only use of it I ever saw was herald of agony minion builds where HOA has so many support links it grows to reserve all your mana. So then cutting it to 45% is actually a gain.

Viktranka
Sep 14, 2019 00:25:13 AM

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Cyrix1337 wrote:


Fixed the one pob link. Thank you!

Depending on your gear and where you are at dps wise you might value that differently. Again - this is subjective on where you are gear-wise. Same goes for the Acuity nodes btw. I always encourage people to path their own tree - with the way Accuracy works the best pathing might be different depending on gear - and I to be quite honest I will not spend hours updating this buildguide with every patch for some minor % gains due to some changes on the passive tree.
Bigger things I take into account or remark on, sure. But please be considerate when you expect me to make minute adjustments to every guide/character I make. I do not really have that much time available. :)

If you lack damage/accuracy go for Master Fletcher, sure. Or try the Lionseye jewel and go for the claw nodes etc. There are multiple ways for bow builds to path on the tree. I choose this one since it gives a lot life and survivability - especially for a bow build - and damage after a certain point (after 1Mio+ in my experience) doesn't really add a lot. :)

I am so sorry if my comment seemed I found your guide lacking or was expecting more from you, I was trying to understand the utility side of things as that was something your guide and most of the best ones make clear, and I somehow didn't realize those nodes allowed endurance charge generation. DPS is only a number at a certain point while things like generating endurance charges is far better. I was simply getting confused with the differing trees, and the fact that at one point in the guide you say to take infused channeling over crit, and in another part we use damage on full life, which I'm not sure on myself since we have only 5 links and 3 of them are taken. Have your personal preferences as of 3.8 gem-wise changed?

I have a busy life too and am enjoying your build very much (it's nice to just vaal orb and go), and found it very honest without number inflation. It did take a fair bit of attack speed and levels for scourge arrow to feel smooth for me, but it's seriously grown on me now. Thanks for the guide!

Ps: I'm an idiot and sold a lioneye's fall on day 1 for 20c so I could get my bow early, rofl. REGRETS.

Xenithos
Sep 14, 2019 08:34:48 AM
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