Forum Index Templar [3.8] Cyclone Summoner - Heralds of Agony and Purity, Summon Holy Relic - League starter

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There's nothing to nerf. It's good ( as expected) to 6 link and half decent with no links. It is what it is. If people would stop going omg it might get nerfed so gud bro...

With that being said, I have a hard time believing the OP's set up is very good. To use a Coming Calamity, and then to barely even 4 link it. If the Crawler is gonna be your main source of damage...why would you waste links on a 5 link, with Phantasm.

DamageIncorporated
Nov 30, 2018 06:21:46 AM

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I'll be updating the guide with 3 recommended league start methodologies as well as anything relevant from the patch notes. It wouldn't surprise me if they nerfed HoAG, but also wouldn't surprise me if they didn't! Assuming even slight to medium nerfs I think you can still start the build and do up to Shaper on little investment.
Will one of them be without Geofris Legacy? That seems to be the more modern trend according to poe.ninja/builds data.

tainium
Nov 30, 2018 13:22:44 PM

Would a Lightning Golem be worth a socket?
I'm looking at using the Holy Relics to inflict Blind to get Chance to Bleed on the claws, Culling Strike on the gloves, and Blood Lust on the Herald of Purity.
Holy Relic + Blind + Lightning Golem + ???, maybe?

futonrevolution
Nov 30, 2018 23:24:47 PM

Just a note for anyone considering dropping Calamity and/or Geofri's Legacy and/or just playing this in SSF...

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In SSF, with Calamity and G Legacy I wasn't able to defeat shaper through several attempts. I kept dying too much. I then swapped out Calamity for Belly and used a Bone Helmet in place of Legacy...which resulted in a deathless Shaper kill. Life was at 7.5k, here's gear:

Grim Stinger
Gemini Claw
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  • +38 Life gained for each Enemy hit by Attacks
  • +14 Mana gained for each Enemy hit by Attacks
  • Adds 21 to 47 Fire Damage
  • +63 to maximum Mana
  • +4 Life gained on Kill
  • 6% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills
  • +45 Life gained for each Blinded Enemy Hit by this Weapon
  • 13% increased Attack Speed
  • Bramble Ward
    Bone Helmet
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  • Minions deal 40% increased Damage
  • +1 to Level of Socketed Intelligence Gems
  • +1 to Level of Socketed Minion Gems
  • +46 to Intelligence
  • 39% increased Armour and Energy Shield
  • +90 to maximum Life
  • +12% to Fire and Lightning Resistances
  • Victario's Charity
    Laminated Kite Shield
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  • +8% to all Elemental Resistances
  • +68 to maximum Life
  • +28% to Lightning Resistance
  • +11% to Chaos Resistance
  • 20% increased Area of Effect of Aura Skills
  • 10% chance to grant a Power Charge to nearby Allies on Kill
  • 5% chance to grant a Frenzy Charge to nearby Allies on Hit
  • A man's life is the greatest gift he can give.

    Belly of the Beast
    Full Wyrmscale
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  • 155% increased Armour
  • 36% increased maximum Life
  • +15% to all Elemental Resistances
  • 50% increased Flask Life Recovery rate
  • Extra gore
  • There is no safer place

    Than the Belly of the Beast

    Vengeance Grasp
    Wyrmscale Gauntlets
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  • Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 18 Poison
  • Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 16 Faster Attacks
  • Socketed Gems are supported by Level 16 Faster Projectiles
  • 7% increased Attack Speed
  • +44% to Fire Resistance
  • 19% increased Projectile Speed
  • 15% increased Poison Duration
  • +61 to maximum Life
  • Corruption Spur
    Titan Greaves
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  • 19% increased Armour
  • +88 to maximum Life
  • Regenerate 11.1 Life per second
  • 30% increased Movement Speed
  • 28% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • +30% to Fire Resistance
  • Oblivion Grip
    Topaz Ring
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  • +29% to Lightning Resistance
  • +37 to Dexterity
  • +150 to Evasion Rating
  • +71 to maximum Life
  • +10% to all Elemental Resistances
  • +18% to Fire Resistance
  • 0.4% of Physical Attack Damage Leeched as Mana
  • Doom Gorget
    Amber Amulet
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  • +29 to Strength
  • Adds 3 to 42 Lightning Damage to Attacks
  • 2% increased Armour
  • +88 to maximum Life
  • +9% to all Elemental Resistances
  • +44% to Cold Resistance
  • +32% to Chaos Resistance
  • Rune Circle
    Unset Ring
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  • Has 1 Socket
  • +19 to Intelligence
  • +74 to maximum Life
  • +68 to maximum Mana
  • 17% increased Rarity of Items found
  • +28% to Cold Resistance
  • +16% to Lightning Resistance
  • Victory Leash
    Stygian Vise
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  • Has 1 Abyssal Socket
  • +42% to Cold Resistance
  • +29% to Lightning Resistance
  • +16% to Chaos Resistance
  • 27% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills
  • +62 to maximum Life
  • Bubbling Divine Life Flask of Staunching
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  • 50% reduced Amount Recovered
  • 135% increased Recovery rate
  • 50% of Recovery applied Instantly
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Ample Basalt Flask of Heat
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  • +12 to Maximum Charges
  • Immunity to Freeze and Chill during Flask effect Removes Freeze and Chill on use
  • Saturated Hallowed Hybrid Flask of Warding
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  • 50% increased Amount Recovered
  • 33% reduced Recovery rate
  • Immune to Curses during Flask effect Removes Curses on use
  • Alchemist's Stibnite Flask of Dousing
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  • Creates a Smoke Cloud on Use
  • Immunity to Ignite during Flask effect Removes Burning on use
  • 25% increased effect
  • 33% reduced Duration
  • Ample Silver Flask of Staunching
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  • +11 to Maximum Charges
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • tainium
    Dec 01, 2018 13:47:20 PM

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    tainium wrote:
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    I'll be updating the guide with 3 recommended league start methodologies as well as anything relevant from the patch notes. It wouldn't surprise me if they nerfed HoAG, but also wouldn't surprise me if they didn't! Assuming even slight to medium nerfs I think you can still start the build and do up to Shaper on little investment.
    Will one of them be without Geofris Legacy? That seems to be the more modern trend according to poe.ninja/builds data.


    Feel free to drop G.Legacy, but if you do drop relics too - at that point I'd go for an elder helm with +2/3 to minion gems and Minion Damage to socket HoP-Ruthless-Maim-Melee Physical Damage. Unsure what you'd socket in boots then, some utility of your choice (CwDT Flesh Offering or something).

    systemplayerlost
    Dec 02, 2018 23:51:08 PM

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    Would a Lightning Golem be worth a socket?
    I'm looking at using the Holy Relics to inflict Blind to get Chance to Bleed on the claws, Culling Strike on the gloves, and Blood Lust on the Herald of Purity.
    Holy Relic + Blind + Lightning Golem + ???, maybe?


    If you went down this path I'd strongly recommend Minion Life as the last link to stop you needing to resummon the minions as often. I found my attack speed totally fine without Lightning Golem, but attacking more often does increase your LGoH, so cannot be that bad.

    systemplayerlost
    Dec 02, 2018 23:57:58 PM

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    cannot be that bad.


    It seems to be pretty bad. Path of Building is insisting that Holy Relics' Nova is a spell, so the Cyclone is likely the only viable source, which shifts Chance to Bleed into a bad roll for the claws, which changes Blood Lust back to MPD, etc., etc. That particular fork in the road might have less flexibility, than I was hoping for.

    futonrevolution
    Dec 03, 2018 07:15:46 AM

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    cannot be that bad.


    It seems to be pretty bad. Path of Building is insisting that Holy Relics' Nova is a spell, so the Cyclone is likely the only viable source, which shifts Chance to Bleed into a bad roll for the claws, which changes Blood Lust back to MPD, etc., etc. That particular fork in the road might have less flexibility, than I was hoping for.


    Yeah sorry I didn't read too much into the utility you were hoping to get from them - Holy Relic Nova is definitely a spell - I recommend Controlled Destruction linked!

    systemplayerlost
    Dec 03, 2018 23:34:45 PM

    From the patch notes:

    "Herald of Purity
    Minions summoned by this skill now deal more Physical Damage based on gem level, rather than more Damage.

    Herald of Agony
    The Agony Crawler summoned by this skill now deals increased Physical Damage per Virulence you have, rather than increased Damage."

    Can someone explain what exactly this means? Seems like a nerf.

    LemmiwinksGerbil
    Dec 05, 2018 01:57:04 AM

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    From the patch notes:

    "Herald of Purity
    Minions summoned by this skill now deal more Physical Damage based on gem level, rather than more Damage.

    Herald of Agony
    The Agony Crawler summoned by this skill now deals increased Physical Damage per Virulence you have, rather than increased Damage."

    Can someone explain what exactly this means? Seems like a nerf.


    This is a nerf to builds that were using abyssal jewels to add flat non-physical damage to minions. As we don't do that, there's no change to the build.

    systemplayerlost
    Dec 05, 2018 03:14:03 AM
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