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I think that Quill Rain in general is better than any +3 bows unlesss these bows also have HIGH PHYS damage.
7L Link will probably be as good as just Lioneye's Glare, but i need to check. +3 7L will maybe be as good as Quill Rain, but will not have the phys leech that Lioneye's Glare gives. So you will probably have good damage, but mana problems and as a result = low life pool because you need Thief's Torment .

But for Uber Elder it is still god damn hard to stop and concentrate fire. Most of the time you can shoot 1, 2 maybe 3-4 times before you have to relocate. And i did like 20 Uber Elder riuns already.


I've watched your videos so I respect the amount of testing and theorycrafting you have done. Watching your TR vs. CA pod conclusion video was the reason I got a 6L Quill Rain. =)

Soo... there really is no place for +3 VP bows in a build by comparison - except for CA (which is a sub-par skill compared to TR vs. bosses anyways?)

The reason I ask is because I've spent lots of currency and time crafting a +3 bow, which is my first real craft in PoE ever - but now I'm starting to fear the Quill Rain is superior and all that time and effort was in vain. I've been trying to use both and weapon-switching but vs. hard bosses it's not smooth at all since you want to stack those pods + the hinder effect of TR and not worry about weapon switching.

I'm not worried about the life pool as my build is a CI Occultist - and so far I'm ok with the mana leech I got from the tree as long as I keep hitting enemies.

Bizze79
Oct 04, 2018 14:58:01 PM

You should try the reach belt 200% of LL converted to chaos damage

holy_death
Oct 04, 2018 18:28:47 PM

Shaper done, damage was higher than i expected, died twice on phase 3 because i got nervous and my hands were sweating hahahah



What do you think that i should upgrade next in order to try uber elder?

My gear:

Spoiler
Foe Corona
Mind Cage
Click to expand
  • +93 to maximum Life
  • 9% increased Rarity of Items found
  • +34% to Fire Resistance
  • +44% to Cold Resistance
  • +42% to Lightning Resistance
  • Thief's Torment
    Prismatic Ring
    Click to expand
  • +8% to all Elemental Resistances
  • 12% increased Quantity of Items found
  • Can't use other Rings
  • +24% to all Elemental Resistances
  • +43 Life gained for each Enemy hit by your Attacks
  • +30 Mana gained for each Enemy hit by your Attacks
  • 50% reduced Effect of Curses on you
  • The ring I stole,

    My finger they took,

    A shrouded mind,

    Cut their curses short,

    As I drained their spirit

    And stole their soul.

    A blessing is often a curse.

    Storm Collar
    Citrine Amulet
    Click to expand
  • +24 to Strength and Dexterity
  • Adds 3 to 34 Lightning Damage to Attacks
  • +56 to maximum Life
  • +39% to Cold Resistance
  • +40% to Lightning Resistance
  • +24% to Fire Resistance
  • Quill Rain
    Short Bow
    Click to expand
  • +19 to Dexterity
  • 100% increased Physical Damage
  • 100% increased Attack Speed
  • +2 Mana gained for each Enemy hit by Attacks
  • 73% increased Projectile Speed
  • +36 to Accuracy Rating
  • 40% less Damage
  • "The rain of a thousand quills that whittle

    present into past, life into death."

    - Rigwald of the Ezomytes

    Maloney's Nightfall
    Blunt Arrow Quiver
    Click to expand
  • 27% increased Stun Duration on Enemies
  • 10% increased Attack Speed
  • +54 to maximum Life
  • +14% to Chaos Resistance
  • Adds 8 to 16 Physical Damage to Bow Attacks
  • 25% chance to create a Smoke Cloud when Hit
  • 60% increased Damage with Hits and Ailments against Blinded Enemies
  • Fear not the dark, the song of night,

    Hear not the arch, the falling cry.

    My giving sun, fight no more,

    Rest alone, my grand nightfall.

    The Embalmer
    Carnal Mitts
    Click to expand
  • Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Vile Toxins
  • Adds 13 to 23 Chaos Damage
  • +51 to maximum Life
  • +26% to Chaos Resistance
  • 23% increased Poison Duration
  • "Decomposition takes hold too quickly!

    No, if we are to keep the specimen in perfect shape,

    we must begin the process before expiry."

    Gloom Clasp
    Stygian Vise
    Click to expand
  • Has 1 Abyssal Socket
  • +76 to maximum Life
  • +42% to Fire Resistance
  • +46% to Cold Resistance
  • 13% increased Stun Duration on Enemies
  • 14% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills
  • Plague Hoof
    Slink Boots
    Click to expand
  • +85 to maximum Life
  • Regenerate 2 Life per second
  • +45% to Cold Resistance
  • +41% to Lightning Resistance
  • Bubbling Hallowed Hybrid Flask of Dousing
    -
    Click to expand
  • 50% reduced Amount Recovered
  • 135% increased Recovery rate
  • 50% of Recovery applied Instantly
  • Immunity to Ignite during Flask effect Removes Burning on use
  • Avenger's Quartz Flask of Staunching
    -
    Click to expand
  • Recharges 3 Charges when you take a Critical Strike
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Surgeon's Quicksilver Flask of Adrenaline
    -
    Click to expand
  • 20% chance to gain a Flask Charge when you deal a Critical Strike
  • 22% increased Movement Speed during Flask effect
  • Witchfire Brew
    Stibnite Flask
    Click to expand
  • Creates a Smoke Cloud on Use
  • 50% increased Charges used
  • 27% increased Damage Over Time during Flask Effect
  • Grants Level 21 Despair Curse Aura during Flask Effect
  • "Think of those that cursed us, judged us,

    and burned our sisters upon the pyre.

    Think of their names as you drink,

    and even their children will feel what we do to them today."

    -Vadinya, to her coven

    Coralito's Signature
    Diamond Flask
    Click to expand
  • Take 30 Chaos Damage per Second during Flask effect
  • 25% chance to Poison on Hit during Flask effect
  • Your Critical Strikes do not deal extra Damage during Flask effect
  • 58% increased Duration of Poisons you inflict during Flask effect
  • Grants Perfect Agony during Flask effect
  • "What cruelty it is, that to be judged a success,

    such great work must go uncredited."

    - Coralito, Brotherhood of Silence

    Cherrubim's Maleficence
    Triumphant Lamellar
    Click to expand
  • 65% increased Chaos Damage
  • 174% increased Armour and Evasion
  • +95 to maximum Life
  • 100% increased total Recovery per second from Life Leech
  • "The Consort of Chaos descended,

    swiftly, brutally, artfully, she consumed the living,

    leaving naught behind but a Rosemarie bloom,

    to celebrate the massacre."

    - Blass, explorer, hunter, adventurer

    Entropy Vessel
    Viridian Jewel
    Click to expand
  • 26% increased Chaos Damage
  • 8% increased Poison Duration
  • 3% chance to Poison on Hit
  • Behemoth Sliver
    Cobalt Jewel
    Click to expand
  • 10% increased Damage over Time
  • 7% increased maximum Life
  • 8% increased Poison Duration
  • 5% chance to Poison on Hit
  • Fertile Mind
    Cobalt Jewel
    Click to expand
  • +22 to Intelligence
  • Dexterity from Passives in Radius is Transformed to Intelligence
  • "The swallow flew fast and took many turns,

    spilling a seed where no plant had grown before.

    This seed grew and grew until the desert became fertile and abundant.

    Your mind is like this seed."

    - Maraketh Proverb

    Spreading Rot
    Cobalt Jewel
    Click to expand
  • 13% increased Chaos Damage
  • With at least 40 Intelligence in Radius, Blight inflicts Withered for 2 seconds
  • With at least 40 Intelligence in Radius, Blight has 50% increased Hinder Duration
  • The Cataclysm was but the first act in a play of horrors.

    The dead lingered, and the living began to rot.




    Thanks again for the guide, im loving that build :D

    babsbegood
    Oct 05, 2018 01:52:47 AM

    "
    Bizze79 wrote:
    "

    I think that Quill Rain in general is better than any +3 bows unlesss these bows also have HIGH PHYS damage.
    7L Link will probably be as good as just Lioneye's Glare, but i need to check. +3 7L will maybe be as good as Quill Rain, but will not have the phys leech that Lioneye's Glare gives. So you will probably have good damage, but mana problems and as a result = low life pool because you need Thief's Torment .

    But for Uber Elder it is still god damn hard to stop and concentrate fire. Most of the time you can shoot 1, 2 maybe 3-4 times before you have to relocate. And i did like 20 Uber Elder riuns already.


    I've watched your videos so I respect the amount of testing and theorycrafting you have done. Watching your TR vs. CA pod conclusion video was the reason I got a 6L Quill Rain. =)

    Soo... there really is no place for +3 VP bows in a build by comparison - except for CA (which is a sub-par skill compared to TR vs. bosses anyways?)

    The reason I ask is because I've spent lots of currency and time crafting a +3 bow, which is my first real craft in PoE ever - but now I'm starting to fear the Quill Rain is superior and all that time and effort was in vain. I've been trying to use both and weapon-switching but vs. hard bosses it's not smooth at all since you want to stack those pods + the hinder effect of TR and not worry about weapon switching.

    I'm not worried about the life pool as my build is a CI Occultist - and so far I'm ok with the mana leech I got from the tree as long as I keep hitting enemies.

    I checked your character in PoB and it is FAR from what we are discussing here.
    First of all you have 0 poison and no phys damage, even with +3 bow, so you literally do no attack damage and explosions do nothing as well. You need to drop Added Chaos completely. YOu can only stack dot with occultist, as you do with CA.
    For TR you need to use Efficacy/Inc.Duration or Conc. Effect and level 3-4 Empower in a 7L bow.
    Based on numbers i see 7L Bow will give you 46k Dot, at 2.5 APS, while Quill Rain gives 20-25k at 4.5 aps. So it's pretty much THE SAME damage, with 7L bow slightly going ahead

    Angry_Roleplayer
    Oct 05, 2018 11:25:07 AM

    "
    babsbegood wrote:
    Shaper done, damage was higher than i expected, died twice on phase 3 because i got nervous and my hands were sweating hahahah



    What do you think that i should upgrade next in order to try uber elder?

    My gear:

    Spoiler
    Foe Corona
    Mind Cage
    Click to expand
  • +93 to maximum Life
  • 9% increased Rarity of Items found
  • +34% to Fire Resistance
  • +44% to Cold Resistance
  • +42% to Lightning Resistance
  • Thief's Torment
    Prismatic Ring
    Click to expand
  • +8% to all Elemental Resistances
  • 12% increased Quantity of Items found
  • Can't use other Rings
  • +24% to all Elemental Resistances
  • +43 Life gained for each Enemy hit by your Attacks
  • +30 Mana gained for each Enemy hit by your Attacks
  • 50% reduced Effect of Curses on you
  • The ring I stole,

    My finger they took,

    A shrouded mind,

    Cut their curses short,

    As I drained their spirit

    And stole their soul.

    A blessing is often a curse.

    Storm Collar
    Citrine Amulet
    Click to expand
  • +24 to Strength and Dexterity
  • Adds 3 to 34 Lightning Damage to Attacks
  • +56 to maximum Life
  • +39% to Cold Resistance
  • +40% to Lightning Resistance
  • +24% to Fire Resistance
  • Quill Rain
    Short Bow
    Click to expand
  • +19 to Dexterity
  • 100% increased Physical Damage
  • 100% increased Attack Speed
  • +2 Mana gained for each Enemy hit by Attacks
  • 73% increased Projectile Speed
  • +36 to Accuracy Rating
  • 40% less Damage
  • "The rain of a thousand quills that whittle

    present into past, life into death."

    - Rigwald of the Ezomytes

    Maloney's Nightfall
    Blunt Arrow Quiver
    Click to expand
  • 27% increased Stun Duration on Enemies
  • 10% increased Attack Speed
  • +54 to maximum Life
  • +14% to Chaos Resistance
  • Adds 8 to 16 Physical Damage to Bow Attacks
  • 25% chance to create a Smoke Cloud when Hit
  • 60% increased Damage with Hits and Ailments against Blinded Enemies
  • Fear not the dark, the song of night,

    Hear not the arch, the falling cry.

    My giving sun, fight no more,

    Rest alone, my grand nightfall.

    The Embalmer
    Carnal Mitts
    Click to expand
  • Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Vile Toxins
  • Adds 13 to 23 Chaos Damage
  • +51 to maximum Life
  • +26% to Chaos Resistance
  • 23% increased Poison Duration
  • "Decomposition takes hold too quickly!

    No, if we are to keep the specimen in perfect shape,

    we must begin the process before expiry."

    Gloom Clasp
    Stygian Vise
    Click to expand
  • Has 1 Abyssal Socket
  • +76 to maximum Life
  • +42% to Fire Resistance
  • +46% to Cold Resistance
  • 13% increased Stun Duration on Enemies
  • 14% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills
  • Plague Hoof
    Slink Boots
    Click to expand
  • +85 to maximum Life
  • Regenerate 2 Life per second
  • +45% to Cold Resistance
  • +41% to Lightning Resistance
  • Bubbling Hallowed Hybrid Flask of Dousing
    -
    Click to expand
  • 50% reduced Amount Recovered
  • 135% increased Recovery rate
  • 50% of Recovery applied Instantly
  • Immunity to Ignite during Flask effect Removes Burning on use
  • Avenger's Quartz Flask of Staunching
    -
    Click to expand
  • Recharges 3 Charges when you take a Critical Strike
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Surgeon's Quicksilver Flask of Adrenaline
    -
    Click to expand
  • 20% chance to gain a Flask Charge when you deal a Critical Strike
  • 22% increased Movement Speed during Flask effect
  • Witchfire Brew
    Stibnite Flask
    Click to expand
  • Creates a Smoke Cloud on Use
  • 50% increased Charges used
  • 27% increased Damage Over Time during Flask Effect
  • Grants Level 21 Despair Curse Aura during Flask Effect
  • "Think of those that cursed us, judged us,

    and burned our sisters upon the pyre.

    Think of their names as you drink,

    and even their children will feel what we do to them today."

    -Vadinya, to her coven

    Coralito's Signature
    Diamond Flask
    Click to expand
  • Take 30 Chaos Damage per Second during Flask effect
  • 25% chance to Poison on Hit during Flask effect
  • Your Critical Strikes do not deal extra Damage during Flask effect
  • 58% increased Duration of Poisons you inflict during Flask effect
  • Grants Perfect Agony during Flask effect
  • "What cruelty it is, that to be judged a success,

    such great work must go uncredited."

    - Coralito, Brotherhood of Silence

    Cherrubim's Maleficence
    Triumphant Lamellar
    Click to expand
  • 65% increased Chaos Damage
  • 174% increased Armour and Evasion
  • +95 to maximum Life
  • 100% increased total Recovery per second from Life Leech
  • "The Consort of Chaos descended,

    swiftly, brutally, artfully, she consumed the living,

    leaving naught behind but a Rosemarie bloom,

    to celebrate the massacre."

    - Blass, explorer, hunter, adventurer

    Entropy Vessel
    Viridian Jewel
    Click to expand
  • 26% increased Chaos Damage
  • 8% increased Poison Duration
  • 3% chance to Poison on Hit
  • Behemoth Sliver
    Cobalt Jewel
    Click to expand
  • 10% increased Damage over Time
  • 7% increased maximum Life
  • 8% increased Poison Duration
  • 5% chance to Poison on Hit
  • Fertile Mind
    Cobalt Jewel
    Click to expand
  • +22 to Intelligence
  • Dexterity from Passives in Radius is Transformed to Intelligence
  • "The swallow flew fast and took many turns,

    spilling a seed where no plant had grown before.

    This seed grew and grew until the desert became fertile and abundant.

    Your mind is like this seed."

    - Maraketh Proverb

    Spreading Rot
    Cobalt Jewel
    Click to expand
  • 13% increased Chaos Damage
  • With at least 40 Intelligence in Radius, Blight inflicts Withered for 2 seconds
  • With at least 40 Intelligence in Radius, Blight has 50% increased Hinder Duration
  • The Cataclysm was but the first act in a play of horrors.

    The dead lingered, and the living began to rot.




    Thanks again for the guide, im loving that build :D


    Overall there is still room for improvement. The rolls on most gear are mediocre. No move speed on boots.
    YOu can start looking for chaos+poison belt. I would also use onslaught flask instead of dodge. Better rolled quiver and so on :)

    Angry_Roleplayer
    Oct 05, 2018 11:29:32 AM

    "

    I checked your character in PoB and it is FAR from what we are discussing here.
    First of all you have 0 poison and no phys damage, even with +3 bow, so you literally do no attack damage and explosions do nothing as well. You need to drop Added Chaos completely. YOu can only stack dot with occultist, as you do with CA.
    For TR you need to use Efficacy/Inc.Duration or Conc. Effect and level 3-4 Empower in a 7L bow.
    Based on numbers i see 7L Bow will give you 46k Dot, at 2.5 APS, while Quill Rain gives 20-25k at 4.5 aps. So it's pretty much THE SAME damage, with 7L bow slightly going ahead


    Yeah, I know it's not the same build - I was merely turning to you as a trusted source for theorycrafting as it seems TR can be used in many different ways, stacking the attack dmg (with Added Chaos - giving me better mana leech since I have % of dmg leeched) or you could go poison and try to stack it that way - or simply only stack the degen dmg. It is still similar to CA in a way in the latter sense and I was just trying to find out if I could utilize the +3 VP bow in any way with TR - or if I should just stick with CA for that and use TR in the Quill Rain. I saw the nugiyen video about how to craft a +3 VP bow and it seemed to me as it was a craft for TR specifically, hence my question to you about this.

    I thank you for trying to give me tips anyways and I will make some changes as I progress beyond Red Elder and Shaper Guardians.

    Thank you! =)

    Bizze79
    Oct 05, 2018 16:49:45 PM

    "
    Bizze79 wrote:
    "

    I checked your character in PoB and it is FAR from what we are discussing here.
    First of all you have 0 poison and no phys damage, even with +3 bow, so you literally do no attack damage and explosions do nothing as well. You need to drop Added Chaos completely. YOu can only stack dot with occultist, as you do with CA.
    For TR you need to use Efficacy/Inc.Duration or Conc. Effect and level 3-4 Empower in a 7L bow.
    Based on numbers i see 7L Bow will give you 46k Dot, at 2.5 APS, while Quill Rain gives 20-25k at 4.5 aps. So it's pretty much THE SAME damage, with 7L bow slightly going ahead


    Yeah, I know it's not the same build - I was merely turning to you as a trusted source for theorycrafting as it seems TR can be used in many different ways, stacking the attack dmg (with Added Chaos - giving me better mana leech since I have % of dmg leeched) or you could go poison and try to stack it that way - or simply only stack the degen dmg. It is still similar to CA in a way in the latter sense and I was just trying to find out if I could utilize the +3 VP bow in any way with TR - or if I should just stick with CA for that and use TR in the Quill Rain. I saw the nugiyen video about how to craft a +3 VP bow and it seemed to me as it was a craft for TR specifically, hence my question to you about this.

    I thank you for trying to give me tips anyways and I will make some changes as I progress beyond Red Elder and Shaper Guardians.

    Thank you! =)


    +3 Bow that you have will actually be BETTER than Quill Rain for general mapping and delve farming. While mapping and delving you are mostly shooting 1-2 arrows ahead and let dot do the work. The only place where Quill Rain will catch are are actual "encounters" and boss fights.

    Angry_Roleplayer
    Oct 05, 2018 19:05:26 PM

    i can't see your three for skils :(


    your link is https://pastebin.com/kzS87Qmm ..... but i c'ant see , in just words in this link.... tell me what i can do to see ....please ....and sorry for my bad English :)

    setubal
    Oct 06, 2018 14:53:32 PM

    "
    setubal wrote:
    i can't see your three for skils :(


    your link is https://pastebin.com/kzS87Qmm ..... but i c'ant see , in just words in this link.... tell me what i can do to see ....please ....and sorry for my bad English :)

    it is for path of building

    Angry_Roleplayer
    Oct 06, 2018 14:58:30 PM

    Just curious, outside of more defense on low life that Starkonjas gives, wouldn't Devotos Devotion just be an all around better option for Toxic rain?

    Or am I missing something?

    Timelord_Gallifrey
    Oct 07, 2018 13:46:16 PM
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