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The following is a community ruleset aimed at encouraging new players to get into PvP at a lower cost while increasing the number of available builds!

If you want to join the PvP discussion and theory crafting: https://discord.gg/qcMVf8H

Or just post in the forums and there will be plenty of people willing to help!


Rules eHLD - High Level Dueling ( recommend 85+ )

eHLD events will mostly be held in the Permanent Standard League

eHLD RULES



Open Profiles
Unique Equipment Only - Exceptions below in "Non-Unique"
No Legacy Items
No Beneficial Corruptions
Each skill may only be linked to 3 support gems + Block Chance Reduction support gem

Noting support gems in items as well as any modifiers to "socketed gems" count towards the "3 support" limit

The Block Chance Reduction support gem does not count towards the 3 support link maximum allowing for 5links if "Block Chance Reduction" support is used.

Limited Items:
Unique Flasks limited to 1 (1 unique flask total, not one of each)
Poets pen Limited to 1

Non-Unique

You may use as many non-unique items as you wish however their total affixes across all non-unique may only add up to 5
Affixes on jewels are not included and jewels have their own rules (see below)
Multimod craft is not counted towards this limit. T1 affixes as well as affixes on weapons count as 2
30% Movementspeed Max on boots
No elder/shaper/synthesis/atlas bases and no legacy rolls
No Drop only mods (delve/incursion, mods obtainable via fossils are fine)

Jewel Rules:
No 4 Property Rare Jewels
No Rare Abyss Jewels
No T1 prefixes on Abyss Jewels
No flat damage or penetration on jewels


Banned Items:
Paradoxica with %increased physical damage
Farrul's Fur
Watcher's Eye
Xirgil's Crank
Aegis Aurora
Asenath's Chant
Kitava's Thirst
Helm Enchants
Penetration enchant on boots
Atziri's Reflection
Sunblast
Gloomfang
Thousand Teeth Temmu
Precursors emblem
Curtain Call
Shroud of Eternity
Greatwolf Talisman
Blightwell


Banned Skills:

Aspect of the Spider
Blight
Glacial Cascade
Bear Trap
Minefield
Cluster Trap/Multitrap
Cast When Damage Taken
Cast When Stunned
Cremation
Blade Vortex
Rain of Arrows
Flameblast
Ball Lightning
Toxic Rain
Storm Brand
Winter Orb
Unleash (support gem)
Frost Wall CANNOT be linked with Spell Cascade support
Volley and Lesser Multiple Projectiles must be level 1


Banned Ascendancy Nodes/Keystones:
Flesh Binder - Witch Necromancer
Wicked Ward - Keystone


Rules eLLD - Low Level Dueling ( level 28 )

eLLD events will be held in the Temporary Challenge Leagues


eLLD RULES


Open Profiles
Magic/Rare/Unique Equipment Allowed (Rare rules below)
No Beneficial Corruptions
3 supports per skill Maximum
No 4 Property Rare Jewels
No Quality Gems
No Incursion Temple Mods

Banned Items:
All Unique Flasks
All Legacy Items
Poet's Pen
All Abyss Jewels
Watcher's Eye
All Enchants
Tempestuous Steel
Doomfletch
Skin of the Lords
Seven-League Step
Hinekora's Sight
Asenath's Gentle Touch
The Red/Blue/Green Nightmare
Collateral Damage
Abberath's Hooves

Banned Skills:
Volatile Dead
Minefield
Barrage
Blade Vortex
Blast Rain
Blade Flurry
Rain of Arrows
Mirage Archer Support Gem
Molten Shell
Cremation
Flame Blast

Rare Items Rules
+69 to Maximum Life is the highest life allowed on a piece of gear
109% Physical Damage is the maximum Physical Damage that can be on a weapon
Elreon Jewelry cannot have more than 3 mods
No Multi-mod items allowed
No legacy rolls


Please Read


FAQ

Although eHLD is perm standard some tournaments would allow players to use league characters (non-random teams/solo tournaments)
21/20 and 20/23 gems count as beneficial corruptions (banned)
White sockets DO NOT count as beneficial corruptions (allowed)
Greatwolf Talismans are banned for all magic, rare and unique variants.
If an affix on a non-unique item is 99% useless to your build it is not counted towards affix limits, eg. light radius
T1 affixes refers to the highest possible tier naturally roll-able, or the best roll of a specific mod from essence or delve
You cannot bypass the 3 supports per skill rule with items that grants supports or with socketed gem modifiers (eg +1 gem level or socketed gems deal x% more damage)
You can use a 6link to obtain three "4links" with clever support choices
When using Curse On Hit support gem you count the linked Curses as Support gems for rules - this includes bane AND Vixen's Entrapment
League Specific items are Legacy Items if not obtainable currently (synthesis unqiues are the only ones - as of Jun 20, 2019)
Legacy master crafts are banned
Paradoxica is allowed as long as it doesn't have any %increased physical damage on it
An ascended character is not eligible queue into LLD
For LLD Rares Strength or Implicit rolls do not count towards Maximum Life limit
For LLD non Elreon Jewelry have no limit to number of properties
Vaal Skill Gem Variations do NOT count as a beneficial corruption
Players must have an Open Profile during the Event and for one hour after the Event



Keep in mind that these are subject to change


More information will be posted as we get closer


Intention

All rules fall under two categories:
Accessibility
Balance

The intention of the rules is to provide new and old pvpers a fair start to get into PvP and understand what PvP could be in PoE. Banning Legacy items and beneficial corruptions is an example of Accessibility, even if there were many PvP builds that did not need those players without access to them immediately can feel that they do not have the tools to even participate. Banning 21 gems and 4links Max is for balance, PvP damage is too high and no one wants competitive PvP in PoE to be two players trying to one shot the other offscreen when the match starts and they do not even see the other player. It isn't a perfect system but it was what the PvP community could agree on would be a nice way to start.

Regisle_
Aug 31, 2018 16:08:48 PM

Changelog

1 : Dec 5, 2018

Unban:
Items:
Poet's Pen
Bestiary Items - excluding Farrul's Fur and Fenumus' Weave
Reckless Defense
Glove/Boot enchants - excluding pen on boots

All Unique Flasks - excluding Zerphi and limited to 1 unique flask/character

Skills:
Explosive Arrow
Kinetic Blast
Volatile Dead

Ascendancy Nodes:
Pathfinder - Scion Ascendant
Nature's Boon - Ranger Pathfinder

other:
During an Event, players may NOT use regret orbs to change their passive tree between rounds and or matches for the duration of the Event

Ban:
Items:
Precursors emblem

Skills:
Toxic Rain
Consecrated Path


Modify:
"One Rare Item Allowed (gloves, boots, helm)

Only Resist Suffix Allowed
Only Life/Energy Shield/Evasion/Armour Prefix Allowed
30% Movementspeed Max on boots
No elder/shaper/essence/legacy rolls"

to:
Two Magic Item Allowed
30% Movementspeed Max on boots
No elder/shaper/atlas bases and no legacy rolls

2 : Jan 16, 2019

Banned:

Skills:
Storm Brand
Winter Orb

Items:
Arakaali's Fang


3 : Mar 16, 2019

Unban:
Items:
Zerphi's Last breath
Indigon
Skills:
Consecrated Path


Ban:
Items:
Curtain Call
Shroud of Eternity
Skills:
Unleash (support gem)
Other:
Wicked Ward - Witch Occultist
Legacy master crafts

Other changes:
Poets pen Limited to 1
Clarified unique flask wording
Allowed for 1 multimoded rare if not using magic items
Updated the "Intention" tab
Updated the "FAQ" tab
Allowed Talismans (as they are now obtainable via betrayal) - this includes the unique variants except eyes of the greatwolf and Blightwell
Limited Volley and Lesser Multiple Projectiles to level 1
Updated Jewel rules

4 : Mar 17, 2019

Banned %phys on paradoxica
Modified the non-unique section
Moved changelog section

5 : Mar 28, 2019

Unbanned Fenumus' Weave
Banned Aspect of the Spider
Clarified wording in rare items (and FAQ)
Clarified wording in support gems (as well as included socketed gem modifiers as a support gem)

6 : Jun 20, 2019

Unbanned Arakaali's Fang
Updated Wicked Ward Location
Clarified Synthesis unquies as legacy

Regisle_
Aug 31, 2018 16:12:33 PM

Reserved

Regisle_
Aug 31, 2018 16:12:42 PM

just make sure u dont become the next PT baby

googie337
Aug 31, 2018 16:12:43 PM

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Banned Items:
All Unique Flasks
Poet's Pen


What an unjustified list.

SomethingWonderful
Aug 31, 2018 16:19:00 PM

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deleted wrote:

Banned Items:
All Unique Flasks
Poet's Pen


What an unjustified list.


Nothing been changed yet it was just to recreate the thread so we can post future rules changes.

Head_Less
Aug 31, 2018 16:20:38 PM

Precursors emblem
Arakaali's Fang


You still updating list. Good.

aliac123
Feb 10, 2019 13:13:12 PM

Some thoughts regarding hld items:

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Poet's Pen, Null's Inclination, Asenath's Chant, Mjölner, Cospri's Malice and the Cast on Critical Strike support gem now scale the damage of triggered spells based on the attack time of the triggering attack. They no longer have an 80% damage penalty across all triggered skills.

I think unban Asenath's Chant is ok, poet's pen unban but limit to one.

Kitava's arguable but for the most part unban worthy imo as CWC is not banned and it has same penalty.

Zerphi's can probably be unbanned as both healing and buff are removed upon being hit now so it cannot be used to tank through stuff.

biyte
Feb 10, 2019 23:16:32 PM

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biyte wrote:
Some thoughts regarding hld items:


I think unban Asenath's Chant is ok, poet's pen unban but limit to one.

Kitava's arguable but for the most part unban worthy imo as CWC is not banned and it has same penalty.

Zerphi's can probably be unbanned as both healing and buff are removed upon being hit now so it cannot be used to tank through stuff.


poets was already unbanned for HLD, I havnt touched the lld balance becouse I am unsure on specifics of balance.

as for both Asenath's Chant and Kitava's thrist, the issue is more so they automate movement skills (like flamedash and lightning warp) rather than actually dealing damage, and zerphi will be unbanned soonish, but i wont touch the balance until we see new skills in 3.6

Regisle_
Feb 20, 2019 06:28:21 AM
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