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I've been toying a bit with quivers. To me it feels like that with the Dying Sun, going for additional pierce on the quiver outperforms +1 additional arrow.

The farther your arrows go, the better additional arrows scale. Allowing your arrows to pierce more might allow them to travel through whole packs, also wiping out an entire backline resp. create more and larger puddles of death.

I also noticed that better pierce makes the application of your curse much, much easier and faster.

I realize it's not an either / or. I a couple of shaped penetrating quivers to have one to play around with. Right now I'm using a 3+ Pen quiver (from the essence) and I will keep throwing the +2 pen essence on that thing. Eventually I might get a +3 pen *and* +1 arrow quiver, which might be god mode (if it also rolls + life).

mccready
Sep 26, 2019 07:29:04 AM

Crafted this with Dense+Prismatic+Shuddering, any suggestions to make fortify work, or just ignore that mod?

Bramble Road
Slink Boots
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  • Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Fortify
  • +43% to Fire Resistance
  • +46% to Cold Resistance
  • 35% increased Movement Speed
  • 9% chance to Dodge Spell Hits
  • +70 to maximum Life
  • gergmt
    Sep 27, 2019 17:40:21 PM

    "
    octeris wrote:
    Spoiler
    Blight Update:

    I just finished Uber Elder at level 96. It took a lot longer than I would have liked to get to this point. I didn't force Atlas progression very effectively this league (esp. being in trade league).

    Red Elder and Shaper were deathless and quite easy. Was lucky enough to find a Dying Sun during Shaper completion, which I should probably start using! Two deaths against Uber Elder, both positioning errors on my part. I want to keep working on that boss fight, as I tend to get overwhelmed in the latter half of the fight.

    I'm really enjoying the Blight mechanic! I find a combination of Empowering, Lightning, and Cold/Stun works well against most encounters. Blighted Maps feel intense and rewarding (I've mostly been running them with in a duo with a friend).

    Uber Elder gear setup:
    Spoiler
    Plague Song
    Maraketh Bow
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  • 6% increased Movement Speed
  • +1 to Level of Socketed Gems
  • Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Vicious Projectiles
  • +55 to Dexterity
  • 129% increased Physical Damage
  • +34% to Lightning Resistance
  • +30% to Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier
  • Phoenix Flight
    Penetrating Arrow Quiver
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  • Arrows Pierce an additional Target
  • +94 to maximum Life
  • +41% to Fire Resistance
  • +23% to Cold Resistance
  • +1 Mana gained on Kill
  • 34% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills
  • +211 to Evasion Rating
  • +16 to maximum Energy Shield
  • Kintsugi
    Exquisite Leather
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  • 118% increased Evasion Rating
  • +79 to maximum Life
  • +30% to Fire Resistance
  • 20% less Damage taken if you have not been Hit Recently
  • 50% increased Evasion Rating if you have been Hit Recently
  • Do not hide your flaws, your cracks,

    mend them, and display them proudly.

    For it is these that set us apart.

    Tempest Corona
    Lion Pelt
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  • 41% increased Evasion Rating
  • +78 to maximum Life
  • 28% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • Nearby Enemies have -9% to Chaos Resistance
  • 34% increased Evasion Rating
  • +21 to maximum Life
  • Rage Talons
    Soldier Gloves
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  • Grants Level 20 Aspect of the Cat Skill
  • 23% increased Armour and Energy Shield
  • +33 to maximum Mana
  • +38% to Cold Resistance
  • +2 Life gained for each Enemy hit by your Attacks
  • 10% increased Stun and Block Recovery
  • +68 to maximum Life
  • Skull Span
    Ancient Greaves
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  • +40 to Strength
  • +89 to maximum Life
  • +44% to Fire Resistance
  • +45% to Cold Resistance
  • 21% increased Movement Speed
  • Rapture Thread
    Stygian Vise
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  • Has 1 Abyssal Socket
  • +46 to Strength
  • +99 to maximum Life
  • +12% to Cold Resistance
  • +37% to Lightning Resistance
  • 16% increased Damage
  • Victory Nail
    Topaz Ring
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  • +29% to Lightning Resistance
  • +16 to Strength
  • +18 to Intelligence
  • +72 to maximum Life
  • 5% increased maximum Life
  • +40% to Lightning Resistance
  • +29 to maximum Mana
  • 4% of Damage taken gained as Mana over 4 seconds when Hit
  • Dire Grip
    Prismatic Ring
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  • +10% to all Elemental Resistances
  • +76 to maximum Life
  • +53 to maximum Mana
  • +15% to all Elemental Resistances
  • +11% to Fire Resistance
  • +29 to Strength
  • Glyph Beads
    Marble Amulet
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  • Regenerate 1.6% of Life per second
  • +16% to Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier
  • +48 to maximum Energy Shield
  • 2% increased maximum Energy Shield
  • +68 to maximum Life
  • +7% to all Elemental Resistances
  • 16% increased Chaos Damage
  • Bubbling Divine Life Flask of Staunching
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  • 50% reduced Amount Recovered
  • 135% increased Recovery rate
  • 50% of Recovery applied Instantly
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Panicked Divine Life Flask of Staunching
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  • 25% reduced Amount Recovered
  • Instant Recovery when on Low Life
  • Immunity to Bleeding during Flask effect Removes Bleeding on use
  • Enduring Eternal Mana Flask of Warding
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  • Immune to Curses during Flask effect Removes Curses on use
  • 25% reduced Duration
  • Flask Effect is not removed at Full Mana
  • Perpetual Jade Flask of Reflexes
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  • 28% increased Charge Recovery
  • 79% increased Evasion Rating during Flask effect
  • Experimenter's Quicksilver Flask of Adrenaline
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  • 24% increased Movement Speed during Flask effect
  • 33% increased Duration

  • Grats, UElder is definitely an achievement. Once you get used to it, the fight isn't too hard but it might have troublesome situations if some skills align badly. With each league it gets easier as the damage increases.

    I use the exact same tactic for blights encounters. Arc towers are simply overpowered, same goes to Empowering towers in general. Seismic towers are also ridiculously good for how cheap they are, spam lvl 1 with Emp III and you're capable of permastunning a single side. I also found Flamethrower towers great for bottlenecks, but i rarely use them personally.

    "
    reetismatic wrote:
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    Crafted this monster myself the other day
    Blood Locket
    Agate Amulet
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  • +24 to Strength and Intelligence
  • +14% to Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier
  • 30% increased Chaos Damage
  • +86 to maximum Life
  • +9% to Fire Resistance
  • 16% increased Chaos Damage
  • . Now up to 6,589 life and 253 ES with 463k resting tooltip dot and 519k with frenzy charges active. <3333 this build!

    Damn, that's just perfect. I would use it myself. Out of curiosity, you spammed aberrants or aberrant+pristine to craft it?

    "
    mccready wrote:
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    I've been toying a bit with quivers. To me it feels like that with the Dying Sun, going for additional pierce on the quiver outperforms +1 additional arrow.

    The farther your arrows go, the better additional arrows scale. Allowing your arrows to pierce more might allow them to travel through whole packs, also wiping out an entire backline resp. create more and larger puddles of death.

    I also noticed that better pierce makes the application of your curse much, much easier and faster.

    I realize it's not an either / or. I a couple of shaped penetrating quivers to have one to play around with. Right now I'm using a 3+ Pen quiver (from the essence) and I will keep throwing the +2 pen essence on that thing. Eventually I might get a +3 pen *and* +1 arrow quiver, which might be god mode (if it also rolls + life).

    You are correct - +2 pierce, +1 arrow and life would be just perfect and allow to drop pierce nodes from the tree. The problem is the probability to hit +1 arrow, not to mention getting free prefix or a good life roll. The chance is very low, up to the point where you need hundreds of max tier essence. It might be doable to craft one this league as high tier essence are RAINING from blights. Still not worth the hassle imo.

    In general you don't need more than 3 pierces. Sometimes you find multiple monster packs where you need to shoot twice, but that's rare occurence and is usually solved with multiple arrows.

    Pierce doesn't really help with cursing as you usually want to use it on a single enemy. Again, 3 pierces should deal with anything. If you need to curse white/magic enemies to kill them, then you're REALLY undergeared like it might happen in SSF at the start of the league. Manual cursing is much better in that case.

    "
    gergmt wrote:
    Spoiler
    Crafted this with Dense+Prismatic+Shuddering, any suggestions to make fortify work, or just ignore that mod?
    Bramble Road
    Slink Boots
    Click to expand
  • Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Fortify
  • +43% to Fire Resistance
  • +46% to Cold Resistance
  • 35% increased Movement Speed
  • 9% chance to Dodge Spell Hits
  • +70 to maximum Life

  • I have fortify setup in optional gems. It's basically weapon swap -> hit enemy with Vigilant Strike - Fortify for extra long duration and switch back. Obviously use with "The Vigil" jewel for ~40 sec fortify duration total.

    The boots themselves are awesome. The only shame is that MS+Spell dodge temple mod is now easily available, making it quite easy to create similar if not better (higher life) boots through multimodding alone. It is expensive process obviously. Endurance charge on kill mod instead of fortify would make them insane tho.

    DankawSL
    Sep 28, 2019 00:28:54 AM

    "
    In general you don't need more than 3 pierces. Sometimes you find multiple monster packs where you need to shoot twice, but that's rare occurence and is usually solved with multiple arrows.

    Pierce doesn't really help with cursing as you usually want to use it on a single enemy. Again, 3 pierces should deal with anything. If you need to curse white/magic enemies to kill them, then you're REALLY undergeared like it might happen in SSF at the start of the league. Manual cursing is much better in that case.


    Thanks so much for taking the time and responding. I'm currently using this and I entirely forgot about about the passive nodes that I could be relocating.

    Entropy Bite
    Penetrating Arrow Quiver
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  • Arrows Pierce an additional Target
  • Adds 7 to 10 Cold Damage to Attacks
  • +80 to maximum Life
  • Projectiles Pierce 2 additional Targets
  • 27% increased Projectile Speed
  • 10% increased Attack Speed



  • Right now it feels like penetration is the bees knees but that's probably just inexperience. After reading your take on it I'll do a more thorough investigation.

    mccready
    Sep 28, 2019 10:21:16 AM

    How is the trickster version in 3.8?

    Lupofin
    Sep 28, 2019 11:42:08 AM

    "
    Lupofin wrote:
    How is the trickster version in 3.8?

    Same as always, primarly used for damage. Defensive route got nerfed again and it's not as good at mitigating multiple or single hits as before. On the other hand Raider got big defensive buffs allowing for easier gearing and 95% evade cap nearly from the start basically.

    Personally i wouldn't bother picking Trickster unless you're a slave to DPS numbers. Is ~35% more damage worth over easily acquired attack "immunity"? That's the question you gotta ask yourself.

    DankawSL
    Sep 28, 2019 13:11:22 PM

    Hi! Loving the build so far. Might even shoot for level 100 this league, something I've never done :)

    Just wondering what I should do with this quiver. Should I multi-mod it or just slam and pray.

    Dragon Barb
    Penetrating Arrow Quiver
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  • Arrows Pierce an additional Target
  • +94 to maximum Life
  • Bow Attacks fire an additional Arrow
  • 39% increased Projectile Speed
  • +10% to Fire and Lightning Resistances


  • Thanks :)

    MrSuffa
    Sep 28, 2019 16:17:08 PM

    I've been kinda slow this league, because of a surgery and provider-issues, but the build helped a lot to overcome the bad start.

    Been playing it from act 1 to deathless uber elder first try as a trickster. Progression just comes kinda "natural", which feels great and you can easily craft a lot of the gear by yourself.

    The build is really worth a recommendation, if you want a build, which is capable of always keeping up with the content you are facing. - From act 1 to 10, to maps, to uber elder it just works really smooth.

    basta1982
    Sep 28, 2019 16:43:50 PM

    "
    MrSuffa wrote:
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    Hi! Loving the build so far. Might even shoot for level 100 this league, something I've never done :)

    Just wondering what I should do with this quiver. Should I multi-mod it or just slam and pray.
    Dragon Barb
    Penetrating Arrow Quiver
    Click to expand
  • Arrows Pierce an additional Target
  • +94 to maximum Life
  • Bow Attacks fire an additional Arrow
  • 39% increased Projectile Speed
  • +10% to Fire and Lightning Resistances


  • Thanks :)

    Right now multimodding equals to getting only 1 extra prefix. Options for that slot are quite underwhelming except Eva/ES craft so that leaves you with two good approaches you can take:

    #1 - block prefix, slam with exalt (guaranteed suffix), craft 3rd suffix.
    That's overall good and cheap option. Preserves projectile speed that i personally like.

    #2 - use "add prefix, remove suffix" beastcrafting into multimodding.
    This option guarantees 2 crafted suffixes but removes projectile speed and is more expensive.

    Both options are great, depending on what you want on your quiver.

    DankawSL
    Sep 29, 2019 00:32:59 AM

    Hi Man,

    I would like to ask what is the best bow for this build?

    elder bow

    +1 level of socketed gems,
    20 Vicious projectiles,
    ( Culling strike? is it worth ? )

    Then roll multiple crafted mods and then what? ( with culling/without ).

    Thanks in advance!

    Btw whats your opinion about Kaoms heart for this build?

    wuttenq
    Sep 29, 2019 02:55:47 AM
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