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Possible Nerf/Balance Options?

- Make Blade Vortex have a maximum of 15 Stacks where every 3 Stacks you add another Blade in the vortex (Up to 5)
- Make Blade Vortex unable to Crit unless supported by Increased Critical Strikes Support
- Blade Vortex deals more damage the less stacks, and make Blade Vortex an "Attack" (This is a buff?) which gets less and less accuracy more stacks you have.

Atomic_Noodles
Nov 09, 2016 11:09:21 AM

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Márkusz wrote:
... charge generation...


This is also my observation. Blade Vortex with the mechanics that each BV stack counts as effect with certain properties that can repeat the on hit effect is what makes it insane with combination like Pathfinder ascendancy with flask charge on crit. With the amount of hits per second for every stack it can be abused very easily.

I don't think the top end dmg of Blade vortex is as insane as people claim to be. Anything in PoE can be scaled into insane numbers (except Glacial Hammer, rip)

Why deathless Shapers with CI BV - Blade vortex charge generation + Vinktar leech + Vaal Pact . Combo of these 3 mechanics makes the build facerool as it is. Remove one of them from the equation and it will be just a great normal build.

So if GGG would implement that 1 stack can only generate charge on the first hit and then it would ignore on hit mechanics (except dmg ofc) it might be enough to get BV into "mortal" range of builds.

GGG already fixed the recasting of the new stacks that the new ones overwrite the old ones, it might be enough.

One more thing i would like to see is to incentivize the amount of stacks you are keeping. Not just lineal progression of dmg per stack, like 20x 100% = 2000% . If the stacks would have different progression like the 20th stack would deal more dmg than the first stack, it might also bring the value for builds focusing on the duration - to keep uptime at 15-20 rather than 10-15 for general map clearing.

For leveling it might put BV in line with the single target dmg at early levels when you are able to have 10-11 stacks max without inc Duration and Echo/faster casting. You can focus on duration rather than Added fire early levels, but the duration should be incentivized.

Marxone
Nov 14, 2016 16:52:45 PM

I searched a price to put on my vortex 14% from poe trade, it find vortex and blade vortex. I think you should change the name of the gems.

destrock
Nov 14, 2016 23:44:10 PM

Spinning Knives, ftw :)

Marxone
Nov 15, 2016 16:09:27 PM

Blade vortex should have its ability to pile on flask charges with certain passives and items nerfed into the dirt.

My suggestion is one for each still-active skill use.

IlluminaBlade
Nov 24, 2016 23:34:41 PM

regarding 2.5 update to blade vortex, what is changed.? i'm kinda toolpit reliant, just to know when im building it right or wrong, and it seems that my BV toolpit is lower then before.

onnymaru_extra
Dec 04, 2016 13:20:44 PM

The 2.5 changes are either broken or completely retarded.

Sometimes I have to wait for 1,2 or more seconds before any damage hits the mobs in range.

Problems:
1) I'm standing in MELEE range for 1,2 seconds WITHOUT LEECH. Are you kidding me?

2) The clear speed with mirror gear is the same as with any random gear:
Mirror gear would only require 1 blade to clear a group of mobs
random gear would require 4-5 blades to clear a group of mobs
But due to the 1,2 seconds the random gear has enough time to cast enough blades anyway.

3) FPS drops drastically since this patch because you hit all mobs in the very same interval?
This is some kind of new bug but is the same with something like vaal rf that kills a group at the same time => fps/server lag.

4) You can't use movement skills. You simply/randomly hit or don't hit a group of mobs. Sometimes you just jump over them without any damage to them.

PLEASE I'd rather have half my damage then this ridiculous 1,2 seconds of random death

RGrand
Dec 04, 2016 20:44:28 PM

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RGrand wrote:
The 2.5 changes are either broken or completely retarded.

Sometimes I have to wait for 1,2 or more seconds before any damage hits the mobs in range.

Problems:
1) I'm standing in MELEE range for 1,2 seconds WITHOUT LEECH. Are you kidding me?

2) The clear speed with mirror gear is the same as with any random gear:
Mirror gear would only require 1 blade to clear a group of mobs
random gear would require 4-5 blades to clear a group of mobs
But due to the 1,2 seconds the random gear has enough time to cast enough blades anyway.

3) FPS drops drastically since this patch because you hit all mobs in the very same interval?
This is some kind of new bug but is the same with something like vaal rf that kills a group at the same time => fps/server lag.

4) You can't use movement skills. You simply/randomly hit or don't hit a group of mobs. Sometimes you just jump over them without any damage to them.

PLEASE I'd rather have half my damage then this ridiculous 1,2 seconds of random death


Balanacing aside, the slow hits also completely change the way I feel about the skill too. I used to love this skill hitting hundreds of times, watching the enemy health chip down. Now it feels like being surrounded by a few giant boulders instead of heaps of tiny blades. Feels like ass. Maybe with more cast speed it'll feel better but I doubt it. I think BV is dead to me now, and there's no balanced way to bring it back.

Edit:
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The skill now has a base hit frequency of 600ms and has 10% increased hit rate per active blade


Can someone explain this? At 20 stacks, what would the hit freqency be?

e2: hits per second is ~1.66 + ((0.1 * ~1.66) * 20). Is this correct?

eran112
Dec 05, 2016 05:59:18 AM

What I understand of this is 20 stack = 200% increased frequency that means 3 more time hit.
So the formula should be hit per seconds = (1000 / 600 ) * ( (10 * stack + 100) / 100 )

Does someone know how multiple setup of Blade Vortex works ? it show only one buff, even linked to different gems.

vindoq
Dec 05, 2016 08:59:45 AM

I'm one of the brave souls that rolls my own build. Scion BV Life build.
I have been loving it until the newest change.

Leeching is horrible, which is part of what made my build good. Plus it just feels clunky.
I feel like there should be a better solution to the problem. Make a cooldown on how often it can proc flask charges or disable it from working with crit flask charges. That would fix the problem directly and not fuck up the skill and builds for everyone else.

I had not played in months, and this skill is the only one that really keeps me interested right now.

Please revert this crap and fix the real problem directly with the flasks or whatever. Stop breaking my favorite skills please.

Secksy
Dec 07, 2016 16:01:07 PM
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